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radicaledward



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:36 am Reply with quote
Quick question, this is a topic that I remember being the subject of much debate for awhile as well, but does anyone know if the 3rd OVA will settle any of the debate as to whether or not spoiler[Mihoshi is related to Washu].
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:02 am Reply with quote
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BTW all 3 Movies are TV universe canon, even DoD. But the reason DoD feels like OVA is because of the use of the "Light Hawk Sword" and spoiler[Ayeka's mention of "My brother's tree".] In the TV universe and TiT there wasn't any Light Hawk anything. But Ms. Hasegawa, who wrote DoD, allegedly took the opportunity to stick a few into Mr. K.


The very fact that Kiyone Makibi and the Lighthawk Sword (and what is clearly Tenchi's Lighthawk Wing attire) is reason enough to call "Daughter of Darkness" non-canon to the TV series. You can't say that something is canon with glaring non-canon entities in it.

It's sort of like a Dragon Ball Z movie, in that, but instead of its glaring plot holes disallowing its continuity in the just the TV series, the presence of Kiyone (who, while existing in the OVA universe, is on Earth inexplicably) means that it's not really canon to the OVA either. The reason why people say it's more related to the OVA is because ultimately it shares more characteristics with it.

Just because you, or even the creators say it's canon, the only logical conclusion is that it's either closer related to the OVA, or it's simply outside any of the continuities introduced.

As for Tenchi Muyo! GXP and Pretty Sammy being left out of the article, the article seems pretty clearly made to determined to get you primed for the new OVA, and knowing about Seina's adventures and Pretty Sammy are really unnecessary. In fact, one could say that talk of "Tenchi Universe" is excessive.
You are a bit confused here. Detective Kiyone Makibi appears only in the TV universe. She is a character created by Ms. Hasegawa in her novels, used for the basis of the TV universe, not Mr. Kajishima, creator of the OVA. Ms Hasegawa wrote DoD, but she was also the original screen writer for the first OVA series as I said before. But I will agree that there are these mixes of TV universe characters and OVA props that will confuse the casual viewer. That is why it's best to classify DoD as a stand alone related to both, and neither. I also agree that the use of the term "Tenchi Universe" is too broad as this term is mostly known to mean "TV Universe". BTW Mr. K The author of GXP as well as the OVA, said himself in an interview that "If you put GXP and Tenchi Muyo, Ryo-Ohki in order, GXP's time frame takes place one year after Tenchi Muyo, Ryo-Ohki (3rd OVA). The audience may be confused as to why certain characters show up in GXP."Wink


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I just noticed something when reading the section on the OVA 3 characters:

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Mihoshi’s Grandfather and the marshal of the Galaxy Police. He has a lot of concern for his bumbling, lazy daughter. If it weren’t for him, she probably would have been tossed out of the force years ago. When he receives word that Tenchi is abusing Mihoshi, he sends Mihoshi’s younger brother Misao out to rescue her, no matter what.


Shouldn't that be "grand-daughter"?

Also, Mihoshi's younger brother looks like a girl. Laughing I thought Misao was a Mihoshi's mother until I read the bio.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:09 am Reply with quote
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Katsuhito’s first wife. Together, they gave birth to Kiyone, Tenchi’s mother. Airi is introduced to everyone as Noike’s escort to Earth and a member of the Galaxy Police. She’s a bit cold at first, but quickly warms up to her grandchild, Tenchi
This is incorrect. According to the "True Tenchi Muyo" novels written by Mr. Kajishima, Youshu, whilst married to Airi, also had Earthling wives in his 700 years self imposed exil on the planet. Kiyone was a daughter of his last Earthling wife. It is the reason Kiyone died so young. Being only half Juraiian, she wasn't strong enough to merge with Funaho, his tree and the ordeal on her body weakened it and so shortened her life. (this is OVA, notTV, or movie info. Confused )
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:25 am Reply with quote
radicaledward wrote:
Quick question, this is a topic that I remember being the subject of much debate for awhile as well, but does anyone know if the 3rd OVA will settle any of the debate as to whether or not spoiler[Mihoshi is related to Washu].
There is no debate necessary. It is a fact. spoiler[Mihoshi's Great,great,great,great,great grandfather is Washu's baby son, Mikumo, stolen from her by her estranged husband when they both were at the acadamy. It is the reason that Mihoshi is so easily able to pass through any of Washu's subspace doorways. She shares Washu's DNA, a point Washu is apparently unaware of.]Again from the TTM novels. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:23 pm Reply with quote
Makes sense - that's in line with the debates that I was seeing. I must admit that I am curious about these novels now - with any luck they might get translated into English.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:34 pm Reply with quote
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Makes sense - that's in line with the debates that I was seeing. I must admit that I am curious about these novels now - with any luck they might get translated into English.
I have been trying to get two publishers to translate these three novels since I was able to get hold of them. I even had a petition going to persuade Viz to have a go seeing as they are also publishing the GN's. They were very interested at first but after the company restructure and merger it's been "pushed back for the time being". Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:57 pm Reply with quote
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Just because [...] the creators say it's canon


I would disagree here. If the creators say it's canon, it is canon. You merely have a plot hole.

Plot holes aren't all that uncommon, in fact you can have plotholes in the same episode or movie. If a particular par to f a movie happens to have a plot hole,a re you going to call that part of the movie "not canon" in reference to the rest of the movie?

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As for Tenchi Muyo! GXP and Pretty Sammy being left out of the article, the article seems pretty clearly made to determined to get you primed for the new OVA, and knowing about Seina's adventures and Pretty Sammy are really unnecessary. In fact, one could say that talk of "Tenchi Universe" is excessive.


I couldn't have said this better myself.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:19 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Key wrote:
Katsuhito’s first wife. Together, they gave birth to Kiyone, Tenchi’s mother. Airi is introduced to everyone as Noike’s escort to Earth and a member of the Galaxy Police. She’s a bit cold at first, but quickly warms up to her grandchild, Tenchi
This is incorrect. According to the "True Tenchi Muyo" novels written by Mr. Kajishima, Youshu, whilst married to Airi, also had Earthling wives in his 700 years self imposed exil on the planet. Kiyone was a daughter of his last Earthling wife. It is the reason Kiyone died so young. Being only half Juraiian, she wasn't strong enough to merge with Funaho, his tree and the ordeal on her body weakened it and so shortened her life. (this is OVA, notTV, or movie info. Confused )


This confuses me as in OAV 3 Airi, when speaking to Tenchi, refers to herself as "Your mother's mother" which to me suggests she is Tenchi biological grandmother and the mother of Kiyone.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:32 pm Reply with quote
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If the creators say it's canon, it is canon. You merely have a plot hole.

Plot holes aren't all that uncommon, in fact you can have plotholes in the same episode or movie. If a particular par to f a movie happens to have a plot hole,a re you going to call that part of the movie "not canon" in reference to the rest of the movie.


A plot hole is a mistake, and should generally be disregarded. I personally have a habit of pretending it never happened. ^^;;;

"LALALALA, Daughter of Darkness never happened!"

"But, it's on tape in your room."

"LALALALALA, can't hear you!"

I suppose that yeah, if the creator actually said it was canon, there's no use arguing with them, because you're questioning their sanity, but something with as many glaring references to the OVA as DoD is clearly more suited to the OVA continuity.


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As for Tenchi Muyo! GXP and Pretty Sammy being left out of the article, the article seems pretty clearly made to determined to get you primed for the new OVA, and knowing about Seina's adventures and Pretty Sammy are really unnecessary. In fact, one could say that talk of "Tenchi Universe" is excessive.


I couldn't have said this better myself.

-t


Actually, if you read the sentence carefully, you probably could say it better yourself.

I meant, "... the article seems pretty clearly made to get you primed..." not "made to determined to get you primed...".

A bit of an editing snafu.

But the jist, yeah, is probably right.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:14 pm Reply with quote
SoloButterfly wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
Key wrote:
Katsuhito’s first wife. Together, they gave birth to Kiyone, Tenchi’s mother. Airi is introduced to everyone as Noike’s escort to Earth and a member of the Galaxy Police. She’s a bit cold at first, but quickly warms up to her grandchild, Tenchi
This is incorrect. According to the "True Tenchi Muyo" novels written by Mr. Kajishima, Youshu, whilst married to Airi, also had Earthling wives in his 700 years self imposed exil on the planet. Kiyone was a daughter of his last Earthling wife. It is the reason Kiyone died so young. Being only half Juraiian, she wasn't strong enough to merge with Funaho, his tree and the ordeal on her body weakened it and so shortened her life. (this is OVA, notTV, or movie info. Confused )


This confuses me as in OAV 3 Airi, when speaking to Tenchi, refers to herself as "Your mother's mother" which to me suggests she is Tenchi biological grandmother and the mother of Kiyone.
This info is a few years old now and it is basically translations from Japanese fans who were kind enough to do so. I haven't seen the 3rd OVA yet as I live in the UK and it hasn't been released here yet. I could speculate and say that this could be down to: 1) a translation error of that OVA episode, (happened with the first OVA), or 2) Mr. K has done some editing of his story, or 3) Yousho's Earthling wife was in actuallity a sarogate mother for Airi's egg, but this is stretching it a bit. The way I understand it, it is not unusual for a person not of the same blood but a close part of a family to be treated as if that person was of the blood. It is stated that "it is still a bit of a mystery" so I will not say you are incorrect. I'm only reporting what was revealed to me up until now. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:27 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
SoloButterfly wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
Key wrote:
Katsuhito’s first wife. Together, they gave birth to Kiyone, Tenchi’s mother. Airi is introduced to everyone as Noike’s escort to Earth and a member of the Galaxy Police. She’s a bit cold at first, but quickly warms up to her grandchild, Tenchi
This is incorrect. According to the "True Tenchi Muyo" novels written by Mr. Kajishima, Youshu, whilst married to Airi, also had Earthling wives in his 700 years self imposed exil on the planet. Kiyone was a daughter of his last Earthling wife. It is the reason Kiyone died so young. Being only half Juraiian, she wasn't strong enough to merge with Funaho, his tree and the ordeal on her body weakened it and so shortened her life. (this is OVA, notTV, or movie info. Confused )


This confuses me as in OAV 3 Airi, when speaking to Tenchi, refers to herself as "Your mother's mother" which to me suggests she is Tenchi biological grandmother and the mother of Kiyone.

Solo Butterfly is correct.

Yosho and Airi had a relationship during their time as students at the Galaxy Academy. But circumstances kept them from getting married at the time (Airi's betrothal to another, political/religious differences between the families, and Ryoko's attack on Jurai, among others).
After chasing Ryoko to Earth, Yosho rescued Funaho's niece Kasumi, eventually marrying her and starting the family line that produced Nobuyuki.

After Kasumi's death, Yosho made contact with the Academy regarding arrangements to have his Earth-born descendants eligible to enroll, and became re-acquainted with Airi, who was now the Academy Chairperson. He also discovered that he and Airi have a daughter, Minaho, who was conceived during their last night together all those years ago.
He and Airi finally got married in secret, and Kiyone was eventually born as their second daughter.


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Minami isn't new, either. He appeared in the original OVA series (although very briefly).


True, as did Tokimi and Z.


Tokimi and D3 appeared in second OVA series. Z appeared for a split second in that series (I think in "Here Comes Jurai Part 2"), but he was completely shadowed and never identified. Took them about 10 years to show us what he really looked like. Razz
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Nobuyuki wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
SoloButterfly wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
Key wrote:
Katsuhito’s first wife. Together, they gave birth to Kiyone, Tenchi’s mother. Airi is introduced to everyone as Noike’s escort to Earth and a member of the Galaxy Police. She’s a bit cold at first, but quickly warms up to her grandchild, Tenchi
This is incorrect. According to the "True Tenchi Muyo" novels written by Mr. Kajishima, Youshu, whilst married to Airi, also had Earthling wives in his 700 years self imposed exil on the planet. Kiyone was a daughter of his last Earthling wife. It is the reason Kiyone died so young. Being only half Juraiian, she wasn't strong enough to merge with Funaho, his tree and the ordeal on her body weakened it and so shortened her life. (this is OVA, notTV, or movie info. Confused )


This confuses me as in OAV 3 Airi, when speaking to Tenchi, refers to herself as "Your mother's mother" which to me suggests she is Tenchi biological grandmother and the mother of Kiyone.

Solo Butterfly is correct.

Yosho and Airi had a relationship during their time as students at the Galaxy Academy. But circumstances kept them from getting married at the time (Airi's betrothal to another, political/religious differences between the families, and Ryoko's attack on Jurai, among others).
After chasing Ryoko to Earth, Yosho rescued Funaho's niece Kasumi, eventually marrying her and starting the family line that produced Nobuyuki.

After Kasumi's death, Yosho makes contact with the Academy regarding arrangements to have his Earth-born descendants eligible to enroll, and becomes re-acquainted with Airi, who's now the Academy Chairperson. He also discovers that he and Airi have a daughter, Minaho, who was conceived during their last night together all those years ago.
He and Airi finally get married in secret, and Kiyone is eventually born as their second daughter.
After digging into my dusty files I can confirm that that is correct. However what I stated as the cause of Kiyone's death is also correct too. Smile (I love this, It's bringing it all back to me again.) Again this is all OVA. and not TV, or movies. Wink Appologies to Key on that point.. Embarassed
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After digging into my dusty files I can confirm that that is correct. However what I stated as the cause of Kiyone's death is also correct too. Smile (I love this, It's bringing it all back to me again.) Again this is all OVA. and not TV, or movies. Wink Appologies to Key on that point.. Embarassed


Yeah, it does get confusing but an easy place to confirm this one is in GXP. Airi tells Seina that she's Tenchi's grandmother and shows Seina the family tree and explains a good part of the lineage (while the rest is shown on screen). Airi then gets mad when Seina refers to her as grandma
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