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first off, the dropping of colonies was done by Later iterations of Zeon, mostly the 2nd and 3rd neo-Zeon movements. I was referring to the original Zeon of Mobile Suit Gundam, not of any movements that followed.

second, gassing and using chemical weapons wasn't Zeon at all, it was the Titans, the Earth Federation Group. Which were the antagonists of Zeta Gundam.

animehermit wrote:

first off, the dropping of colonies was done by Later iterations of Zeon, mostly the 2nd and 3rd neo-Zeon movements. I was referring to the original Zeon of Mobile Suit Gundam, not of any movements that followed.

I believe you need to verify that.

http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/background/glossary_misc.html#operationbritish

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second, gassing and using chemical weapons wasn't Zeon at all, it was the Titans, the Earth Federation Group. Which were the antagonists of Zeta Gundam.

I would beg to differ.

http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/background/glossary_misc.html#oneweekbattle

Having mentioned this, you do have a point...in the sense that the Titans were, in fact, guilty of adopting Zeon's methods after the war. Nevertheless, they were only a fraction of the Earth Federation's military and eventually ended up being disowned by the government...in no small part thanks to the efforts of the AEUG, of course. None of that, however, excuses the original Zeon and its own actions.

In the one week war the federation killed almost as many civilians as the zeeks did.

animehermit wrote:

In the one week war the federation killed almost as many civilians as the zeeks did.

That seems rather hard to believe in light of the information provided above, but I won't deny both sides have innocent blood on their hands.

I just think the Principality of Zeon is: a)inherently worse for having a dictatorship as its form of government. b)guilty of killing more, not less, people.

While this doesn't make the Federation "white" and Zeon "black" they are far from being morally equivalent or without any significant differences.

Damn. I'd really like to watch Unicorn, but these days I'm really not in a position to commit to watching the hundred-and-something-odd preceding episodes' worth of UC, or any significant portion thereof.

The review makes it sound like I'm really missing out though.

Its not really important, although i do like the little things, like, the mobile suits piloted on the Nahel Argama are generic versions of the Zeta Gundam.

Or that the Tank-like mobile suits piloted by the ECOAS are of the same type used by the protagonist in the begining of F91, this sort of reverence for the original series along with the character designs is what i like most about Unicorn so far.

animehermit wrote:

first off, the dropping of colonies was done by Later iterations of Zeon, mostly the 2nd and 3rd neo-Zeon movements. I was referring to the original Zeon of Mobile Suit Gundam, not of any movements that followed.

The intro to the first Gundam definitely shows that they dropped some piece of big space construction on at least one earth city.

Is there much of a difference between those, and the Re-GZ of CCA? That suit was supposed to be a mass-produced version of the Zeta Gundam.

Heh... While F91 takes place 25-30 or so years after Unicorn, the Federation is still using the Jegan there, so it's no surprise that other suits from F91's past put in an appearance here. It's been so long since I watched F91... Wasn't the tank-like suit there a museum piece, or was it in an armoury (or am I completely mis-remembering the scene?)? ^^;

The intro to the first Gundam definitely shows that they dropped some piece of big space construction on at least one earth city.

Ingraman wrote:

The intro to the first Gundam definitely shows that they dropped some piece of big space construction on at least one earth city.

to be frank, i don't remember that scene, and its not present in the compilation movies either.

U.C. 0079.01.03

The One Year War begins. The Principality of Zeon declares war against the Earth Federation and launches surprise attacks on Side 1, 2, and 4. During this first week of the war, the indiscriminate use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons claims the lives of 2.8 billion space colonists.

The Principality of Zeon forcesspoiler[ a space colony out of orbit in an attempt to destroy Jaburo, the Federation Forces headquarters. Though the colony drop misses its target, it hits Sydney, Australia and drastically alters Earth's climate.]

Edit: Isn't that the whole point of the One Year War everyone's always talking about in Gundam? From the official timeline site:

If more people would actually watch the shows, they'd have a knowledge of what went on.

I wonder when Bandai Entertainment is going to put out that new release of the original television series.

You know how hard it is for some people to watch older shows, with such old animation.

Ingraman wrote:

Is there much of a difference between those, and the Re-GZ of CCA? That suit was supposed to be a mass-produced version of the Zeta Gundam.

I believe they're the same suits, UC takes place only a few years after CCA, so its plausible.

My husband only knows one thing about Gundam, and it is this: spoiler[The colonies dropped an entire "Side" on Australia.]

I'll take a re-dub of Zeta and while we're at an actual release of ZZ!

Further details:
spoiler[Not that it really makes it better, but it was an depopulated colony (they gassed it) targeted at the Federation underground base. Only ended up in Australia because of the Federation redirecting it.]

For three days the Federation Forces launch continuous attacks on the runaway colony, but are unable to break through the Principality fleets that surround it. At last the Federation Forces withdraw, and the colony enters Earth's atmosphere on January 10, U.C. 0079, only to break apart over the Persian Gulf. The fragments of the colony scatter across Australia and North America, failing to strike Jaburo but wreaking immense havoc on the Earth and its environment.

an alignment so good she doesn't want to kill anyone (worse than a paladin– also sometimes called "Lawful Stupid")