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Animehermit
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while we're wishing, i want a re-dub of every Gundam show, ever. with UC being the exception ofc. |
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penguintruth
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Eh, I've always thought the Gundam franchise has been pretty lucky when it comes to English dubs. There are very few truly bad ones. Compare that to the way Macross shows have been dubbed. |
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writerpatrick
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Even with fewer characters, I find it hard to follow Gundam Unicorn when they're months apart. I'll likely wait until they've all been released to watch them.
Like the way "cyclops" once referred to any creature with a single working eye, the term "unicorn" once referred to any animal with a single horn, such as one that might have lost one in a fight or shed one. Because of it's rarity it would have been considered lucky to see one. |
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Charred Knight
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I agree with this a lot. Considering the state of anime, I am happy that this series is a major success in Japan, and appears to have done quite well in America. I also understand that if I watch it I will probably enjoy it. I just don't like how this series was done with no real risk. It has famed author Harutoshi Fukui writing the story, but instead of actually coming off like a Fukui story it's instead written in the style of Zeta Gundam. With a franchise as devoid of ideas as Gundam is (the last truly original Gundam series was Turn A Gundam made more than 10 years ago). I think we need something like G Gundam again that will give Gundam a much needed kick in a new direction. A series that while maybe referencing previous series doesn't actually try to repeat them. |
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Animehermit
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I think Unicorn is a step in the right direction. Gundam is getting back to the roots of what made it so enjoyable in the first place. Its not that its like Zeta Gundam, its like Tomino is directing the series again. Theres a lot of people out there, who believe (especially myself) that gundam was last truly good with Turn A. I don't care about originality, I want a cohesive narrative. Gundam hasn't done that in awhile.
they've been competently dubbed, nothing i would call amazing. When used in comparison to Macross, its amazing. But i have to say I've disliked more of the dubs than I've liked, and Unicorn is the first one i would say is truly excellent. |
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Charred Knight
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Tomino hasn't made a tv series in 8 years, Tomino's era is over. We don't need to stagnate and just keep remaking the same series over and over again. I am sick and tired of Zeon, I am sick and tired of the pessimism that Universal Century exudes. What's the point of Gundam Unicorn other than to make crap loads of money? |
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penguintruth
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Then stop watching Gundam. This is what the franchise is largely about. I also disagree that UC is necessarily pessimistic. It doesn't pull any punches, but it's not completely hopeless in tone. Gundam Unicorn is amazing because it plays with the very fabric of the UC timeline, and well. |
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CG-LOVER
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Is that something Tomino himself declared? Cause I've only seen the original series, and if anything, shouldn't the original series have more detail to it since it isn't forced into the time span of three movies? I don't see why the movies should be more official than the original series at all. |
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Animehermit
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theres some one -off episodes that really have nothing to do with the plot. Added on top of the that each of the complilation movies is over 2 and half hours long, so they really didn't need to cut much. I don't know if i would call them more "official" but they serve as a good substitute to the original. so you can watch the trilogy and jump right into Zeta. Now the Zeta movies on the other hand, nobody should watch those, definitely watch the series. |
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Ingraman
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Isn't that mostly what the non-UC Gundam series were doing (remaking the original 0079 show)?
There's a lot of UC material that hasn't been animated, and I'd like to see some of it. What I'd most like to see is the story that includes spoiler[the execution of] Bright Noah's son Hathaway. After what spoiler[he did in Char's Counterattack], it would be so enjoyable... It's in UC0105.05, if the timeline that I've got is correct.
That's the point of _all_ Gundam productions. Even the novels are there to sell models. The Gundam 00 movie wasn't supposed to make money? |
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nightjuan
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While it hasn't stopped me from watching Gundam Unicorn, we do share a similar line of thought in this respect. There have been some interesting attempts to do just that but it would be nice to have something with Unicorn's production values, quality execution and attention to detail instead of just more and more TV series forced to make creative compromises and rush their stories through, often trying to appeal to too many people at once. That's been happening a little too much lately, even with shows I've somehow managed to enjoy.
Considering that Turn A Gundam is perhaps my own favorite series too, I don't really disagree with most of that thought. However, let's consider that Tomino himself did take a few risks with Turn A by making something radically different in style and tone compared to the rest of his work, even if some of the same ideas and themes remained underneath. And yet, thematically speaking, to this day Turn A still remains the "last word" on at least some of the conflicts introduced by the property and its spin-offs.
Fortunately enough, Gundam Unicorn has the kind of production schedule (and, by extension, budget) that benefits rather than takes away from its narrative. I certainly do not dislike this about it...not at all.
Gundam is about many things, even if we don't necessarily take Tomino's words for granted. The concept of "Federation vs. Zeon" is just a single piece of the setting...and one that could be discarded or subverted in numerous ways. After all, this is exactly one of the things Zeta did with the (admittedly heavy-handed) introduction of the Titans. Instead of playing the same cards all over again, re-arranging the deck from time to time can't hurt. It wouldn't be impossible to try and explore other parts of the UC chronology without necessarily having an active Zeon faction (or "Zeon-in-all-but-name") as the obvious antagonistic party. And, to be sure, Unicorn's playing quite a pleasant game...but it's only a momentary one. We already know the inevitable long term consequences of these events, thanks to F-91 and Victory in particular. Whether or not this adds or detracts from the experience is something we'll have to discuss later on.
Honestly, this is only strictly true in the case of SEED...and not even the entire show at that, for whatever it's worth. I don't think you can generalize about everything else so easily, at least not without throwing a bunch of important differences out the window.
Not a bad idea, mind you, but I have a feeling that particular story is non-canonical, however, since it's based on a different version of the Char's Counterattack story instead of the events we saw in the actual movie. You'd need to find a way to reconcile any discrepancies.
And it's the point of practically all anime too. 
But there are many different ways of making money, no? We're free to pick our own poisons, so to speak, and drink them at our own pace. |
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Ingraman
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Really? I know almost nothing about that story beyond the event that I mentioned. Since it takes place so long after 0092, I just figured that a lot went on in those 13 years... I didn't realize that it's version of CCA was so different. Was a novel version of CCA that different, or are preceding events rewritten in the Hathaway book(s)? Thanks for that bit of information. ^_^ |
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CG-LOVER
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Hey thanks for the site. Now maybe I can check it to get a little refresher on some of the details surrounding past UC shows I watched a while back. Though, I couldn't help but notice that in the Universal Century section there was no category for Gundam ZZ and Victory Gundam. I guess that's just because the site comes from BANDAI Entertainment, who hasn't licensed those shows. That's too bad since I'd like to get a refresher on ZZ as well. I hope that there aren't too many detailed references in Unicorn from that otherwise I might not catch them. |
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nightjuan
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@CG-LOVER:
Unless you're really into the technical details of mobile suit design lineage and so on, that shouldn't be an issue. Anything that is truly important is explained in Unicorn itself or relatively easy to deduce from other information. As an alternative, you can always read plot summaries if you're still curious but don't want to watch ZZ all over again. Recognizing every single reference is a nice extra but certainly not a requirement for everyone in the audience.
No problem. To be specific, the Hathaway's Flash novel is supposed to take place after another novel, Beltorchika's Children, which is an alternate version of Char's Counterattack. As it should be rather easy to tell, Beltorchika doesn't appear in the movie and other differences include spoiler[Quess being accidentally killed by Hathaway instead of having Chan kill her...which is naturally going to be a plot point that affects Hathaway's state of mind during later events.] |
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YotaruVegeta
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I've never seen it written as "playing opossum."
Damn, that Gundam Unicorn Blu-ray is a bit expensive, isn't it? $40+ for a movie that's less than 2 hours? |
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