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pythos
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And yet they can afford a computer, internet access and it's accompanying cable or phone line. (They probably also have a CD or DVD burner and media.) Yeah, "class warfare." If they can afford the above, they have to means to either budget or save up for the legal DVDs. (Or they could go without the internet or cable for a few months to save up for them.) [Edit: Whoops, just noticed Space Goats and ACDragonMaster said this eariler.] Last edited by pythos on Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Space Goats
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Hmm, that's exactly what I just said. 
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Chun-Li
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i understand what you are saying. I wouldn't blame anyone if an anime company suddenly went bankrupt...but i don't think that would happen...i think nowadays, the anime companies are finding different and more ways to attract consumers...it's no one's fault that not everyone purchases dvds. i'm sorrie to hear that some companies are financially struggling...but they will get thru it somehow...why?..because they are not just any company ..they are an anime company..one that supports anime... we buy dvds because we want to...it's not really our place to force it on others...if they suddenly want to go out and do a dvd shopping spree then good for them..it's more meaningful that way...in other words..they don't need us to tell them to do nething..so why go out of our way?...i dunno ..i think it's too much of an effort... i think there are more serious crimes out there than "downloading anime" |
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ACDragonMaster
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That's why I quoted it. And rephrased it a bit, just in case the point wasn't clear enough. ;p |
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masaki86
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I'm sorry, imo, if people aren't willing to pay for anime, then they just shouldn't watch it(apart from on networked TV)-simple as. If you want food, you pay for it, if you want clothing, you pay for it...stealing food is illegal, stealing clothing is illegal....why should anime be any different?
If you don't wanna pay, then you don't deserve to watch it. |
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darknightmare
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To be honest, I see no stop to fansubs or these theives in the near future, or if at all. The internet is vast and uncontrolable. If you want to to stop this stealing then take a hint from iTunes and other online music stores and sell these shows an ep. at a time for a flat rate. There is a vast group of people like me who would spend like $2 or hell even $4 and ep. for anime. Think of the instant cash gained from such a deal. They could reduce the production cost of DVDs this way, thus making more money. Even Japanese companies could sell these direct to the internet vids with quick subs or something and trust me anime fans would buy buy buy. If fansubbers can get a quality sub out a day or two after the eps. airs then the anime company could sure as hell get it done quicker.
The sad truth is you can't stop people from downloading stuff. However, you can give them better options. The internet is a tool. The anime companies should learn to use it. |
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Chun-Li
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mebbe i missed a huge article on anime companies losing success...but i still don't see how we are getting punished...for example..let's say an entire series finished airing in Japan...over here...Anime companies produce the dvds right?...wouldn't it make sense that they finish what they start making..i don't think they would stop so abruptly when they already created two out of four dvds of a particular series... hmm..lemme know if any of this makes sense.. |
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hunterbiko
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I love when people make this claim. Most of them have no idea what "poor" really is. Poor is not eating for three days because you cannot afford it, using yesterdays coffee grounds just so you can have a drink with flavor, timing your showers, picking what bills to pay each month and only paying the minimum so you can have heat and water. These are things that poor people do, always one step away from homless and one payment bill short. There are worse conditions of living, but I have been this poor. One more thing most poor people do not have the luxery of the internet. Most of these people can pay their bills, have food on their plates every night, and have money to spare but just won't. They are jsut making sob story excuses for wanting to get something for nothing. |
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kollivier
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In an ideal world, no. In an ideal world, it shouldn't cost anything to produce your favorite TV shows either. Unfortunately, it does. Furthermore, it costs a LOT to bring them to this country so you and others can enjoy them. And if you don't have expendable income, where'd you get that TV/DVD/computer/broadband needed to watch your favorite TV shows? Those are hardly in the 'necessities' category.
To the anime companies, yes. Face reality. Anime companies spend money to produce anime. They do this with the hope of getting money back from fans, so that they can produce more anime. They need money. They cannot afford to give away their works for free. If you enjoy their materials by downloading them for free, you are taking something of value from them but not giving anything in return. It's not 'class warfare', because you (or your parents) are paying good money to have a computer, and broadband access, which you use to download anime for free. You pay the computer vendor and parts suppliers for their hard work, you pay your Internet company a (likely sizable) monthly service fee to keep your Internet going, but you do not see the need to offer the same courtesy to (all) the anime producers whose entertainment you enjoy. If you were truly poor you couldn't afford any of the things you DO have, or buy any anime at all. The simple matter is that you have been given a third route between buying entertainment and doing without, and whether or not it's legal or ethical, I think you just want to take that route because it's the easiest one to take. It's not fair to the anime companies, nor is it legal if the series has been released in the states; that is not even an issue for debate. What is up to debate is whether or not that bothers you. Only you can answer that. But you might want to just try putting yourself in the shoes of the people who did all that hard work for at least a moment. |
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masaki86
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face it, the reason most people who download exclusively don't buy DVD's is because they are kids. 11-15, no proper form of income(apart from pocket money).
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Tempest
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Unquestionably. But they're outside the scope of this website. And while it is technically a crime, I haven't called downloading fansubs a crime. I have alluded that downloading them as an alternative to spending money is a crime. For me it's a matter of ethics, not technical legalities. BTW, I like your avatar. Chun Li rocks. -t |
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Chun-Li
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well..if i was part of that game company...i would hope that those other 55% encouraged other people to buy it by sharing it...because obviously they liked it enough to use their time and effort to download it...and then those other people that got a glimpse of it from those 55% would get soo interested that they would have to buy it...or they want so badly to finish it..on their own time..and not have to borrow it..that's how i am..i don't like to borrow from people or depend on anyone..but i don't mind sharing my stuff.. hope that sorta helps... |
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masaki86
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^^ok, that was useless. all 100,000 loved your game, played for countless hours and loved every minute. however only half paid and the other half stole it...is that fair?
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shenlongmizuno
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While I agree with answerman on people who refuse to support anime and spout trash about liceansing companies, his constant harping about fansubbers in his columns is, to be quit frank, annoying. Yes, fansubs are illegal. They are also a very minor part of the overall problem of anime piracy and do serve a purpose for the fans.
What really bugs me is that people focus on the fansubbers and don't go after the bootleggers and dvd rippers who blatantly steal directly from the distro companies and yet get little to no attention. Methinks that going after highschool/college kids to too much time on their hands is easier then going after the HK bootleggers or stepping up to amazon/ebay and asking them to stop allowing people to sell these ridiculous 3 disc 24 episode "import" boxsets for $21.99 
Last edited by shenlongmizuno on Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:36 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Mohawk52
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