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The Xenos



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:38 am Reply with quote
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I just want to remind everyone that Hector (that's Fire Emblem's real name btw) is described on the main site as cool-headed and runs his own company. All the tech he uses is made and sponsored by him. In short, except for the fire, he's essentially Batman.
Thus he is more than just a token gay stereotype. Maybe not much more, but still.
So he's a gay Batman? eh.. it's been done.
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hooliganj



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:48 am Reply with quote
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Don't forget the un-pc Fire Emblem. He's both a token black guy and a walking gay sterotype. For crap's sake. They literally made the gay character a 'flamer'. As I said in another post, they grouped two of Japan's ostracized groups, African Americans and gays, into one character. That's double your Japanese prejudices and stereotypes in one character. Of course it's the foreign black guy that's gay. Much more comfortable for the masses than an actual Japanese character be gay. A gay friend said that there's a common idea in Japan that homosexuality is an American thing, not something in Japan. All the gay Japanese guys he met there point to that being a myth.

Not to mention he drives a car shape like a giant phallus - part of me wants to raise an eyebrow and say "Really?", but part of me thinks that's actually kind of awesome. And I love how the flames spelled out the word "fire" in the first episode. Power-wise, Fire Emblem is my favorite of the heroes so far, and I can't wait for his character development episode.

As for whether or not the character is PC, I think your definition of "PC" is off. Stereotyped? Sure, from what little we've seen so far. Offensive? Not really. The most outlandish thing he's actually done is grab a guy's butt just to make him uncomfortable.

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Of course my other concern about the series is the whole corperate superheros aspect. Can they really criticize corporate superheros when they're using real companies like Soft Bank and Pepsi? If anything I DO want at least one of them to be just a corporate shill, a hollow standee pop star and not a real hero. That's certain one idea this show can mine if they have the stones to. That or they'll just tow Japan's pro-corporation right wing politics and make the series less interesting. (And mind you I say that as someone financially right of center politically.)

Isn't this pretty much the whole deal with the Origami Samurai? He never saves anyone or even gets any points - he just tries to worm his sponsor's logo into every camera shot. Barnaby is extremely camera conscious as well, although as one of the title characters he gets more hints towards having a reason behind his behavior.
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Echo_City



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:01 pm Reply with quote
Well, those other heroes certainly took their sweet time getting into gear in ep 2.

I'm hoping the dub will be awesome, and that Sentai gets it. Funi is going to get it, most likely, but I have doubts of them executing Tiger properly. Funimation seems to have 2 types of male voices--the higher-pitched "hero" voice of Todd Haberkorn & the venerable Vic, and the deeper voices of Sabat, Stoddard, and Elliot.

Some of their male actors have roles throughout the spectrum, but I can't name very many of them, Eric Vale would be one. (Desert Punk to Solty Rei, for instance)

While it probably isn't as important, Funimation really only has one person on staff for the daughter...and Sentai also works with that same person. Unless I'm missing someone, I've fallen a bit behind on my Funi actors. (I just can't picture Leigh/Clark/Tipton in the role, but I've been surprised before; they are actors after all, right?)

Anyhow, I'm still hoping the show succeeds. Even though it's been a by-the-numbers show, I'm enthused.
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johnny99



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:47 pm Reply with quote
He certainly took the apparent death of his daughter quite well. As I mentioned in the thread on the first episode I think that the company logos on the heroes will prevent any real drama, like one of the heroes going rouge, but the buffoonery exhibited in this episode says to me that the companies might have a better sense of humor than their American counterparts. Pleasantly surprised. Still would be nice to see some sort of central plot move forward. Hopefully that happens before I get bored.
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MeggieMay



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:57 pm Reply with quote
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I'm hoping the dub will be awesome, and that Sentai gets it. Funi is going to get it, most likely, but I have doubts of them executing Tiger properly. Funimation seems to have 2 types of male voices--the higher-pitched "hero" voice of Todd Haberkorn & the venerable Vic, and the deeper voices of Sabat, Stoddard, and Elliot.


This show opens with a VIZ logo, so unless they pass on the show past the Hulu stage, I think it's most likely going to VIZ. So expect the VA's to be L.A. or Vancouver if the show comes out dubbed (because it's VIZ and they don't seem to care about putting out shows on physical media anymore so who knows if they'll even dub it to begin with Sad ).
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Echo_City



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He certainly took the apparent death of his daughter quite well.
What? He only had 30 seconds at most between thinking his daughter died, and then seeing that she'd been saved by Barnaby. He was still in shock during those 30 seconds.

Are you complaining because he remained upbeat throughout the episode after that incident? Instead of being cheery and emotionally stable enough to resolve the incident, while putting a young wayward hero on the path of justice to boot, did you want him to be a frazzled emotional wreck?

That wouldn't match his persona at all--he's done nothing but rant about the ideals a proper hero should hold himself to, ideals that he tries to hold himself to, and having an emotional breakdown during a crisis is NOT one of those ideals.

Maybe he is a cool enough dude to just shrug the incident off permanently, as nothing really happened. Or maybe he is an emotional wreck, but he keeps it contained until he's out of the public eye. Maybe he'll go home and knock back a few over the incident; he certainly had enough empty booze bottles in his place to show that he's no stranger to boozing.

Until the show proves otherwise, why don't we view it optimistically?
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Echo_City



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So expect the VA's to be L.A. or Vancouver if the show comes out dubbed (because it's VIZ and they don't seem to care about putting out shows on physical media anymore so who knows if they'll even dub it to begin with Sad ).
Has Viz done anything I even care about? I don't think they have. Vancouver dubs? The only one I am familiar with is The SoulTaker. LA voice actors generally mean Bang/Zoom's involvement, and I'm still not a Bang/Zoom fan. After seeing their Adventures in Voice Acting, I see a possible explanation for what I see as their flaws.

Regardless, if the show isn't on physical media, the only support it is going to get from me is the revenue from the ads in the video stream. Physical media or bust. The "modern fan" who only supports the industry via paid/free streaming is my pet peeve for as their numbers grow, the incentive to actually produce physical discs decreases.

And no dub? This show begs to be dubbed. No Dub, No Dice.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:26 am Reply with quote
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I'm actually surprised that western anime viewers really like this show... I mean there is an actual weebo character in it. I guess if he's Russian it's ok to laugh at his useless ass?

Nah, it's ok to laugh at weeaboos always. I mean, what fun is life if we can't laugh at our own faults? The show lampoons a buttload of other anime and superhero stereotypes after all, so it would be more glaring if there weren't a foreign Japanophile in there.

The Xenos wrote:
Don't forget the un-pc Fire Emblem. He's both a token black guy and a walking gay sterotype. For crap's sake. They literally made the gay character a 'flamer'. As I said in another post, they grouped two of Japan's ostracized groups, African Americans and gays, into one character.

"African American" probably isn't the phrase you're actually seeking, since a big percentage of black people in Japan are not, in fact, American. Whether they're American or not makes not a bit of difference in the way they're treated, either.
In my time living in Japan I never came across the idea that being gay was a uniquely American trait, either. Certainly being gay is something that's not talked about much, and depending on where you are, not even believed in (however that works) but being American has nothing to do with it.
tl;dr: The whole world doesn't revolve around America, dude.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:44 pm Reply with quote
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Are you complaining because he remained upbeat throughout the episode after that incident? Instead of being cheery and emotionally stable enough to resolve the incident, while putting a young wayward hero on the path of justice to boot, did you want him to be a frazzled emotional wreck?

That wouldn't match his persona at all--he's done nothing but rant about the ideals a proper hero should hold himself to, ideals that he tries to hold himself to, and having an emotional breakdown during a crisis is NOT one of those ideals.


If he actually cared about the kid he would be a wreck. Doesn't mean he has to fall apart, though I think most people would fall apart after seeing their child crushed to death right in front of them. A emotional sledgehammer to the gut like that doesn't instantly disappear. I'm still watching, hoping that they actually explore the fertile ground they've staked out.
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If he actually cared about the kid he would be a wreck.
Again, maybe he does care, and truly IS a wreck, but can't show it.

He has had no opportunity to show it, save for that brief clip where he is in shock. (Which I would consider an expression of grief)

He has no one to tell about any emotional issues he may have, so how would the show convey to the viewer that he is an emotional wreck? It goes against his character's depiction. I still contend that if Tiger is truly an emotional wreck, he will simply seek to drink it off. The fact that his apartment is littered with booze bottles again shows that he's no stranger to drinking himself into oblivion.

However, if they were to show such an act, the show would instantly take on a darker tone, & all but abandon its campy premise. It would become a PMMM bait & switch should the idealistic Tiger descend into despondency, and unlike PMMM's switch, I doubt it would be fan-lauded.
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