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| Spotlesseden Posts: 383 |
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| i'm don't think it's just slam dunk. go watch other sports anime like Prince of tennis, and baseball, golf anime. They copy pose too ^^
if the players don't have any problem with it, i don't see any problem. Example, Jalen Rose's photo is very identical, but he didn't use any NCAA/team name. he just borrow the pose. |
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milcor1 Posts: 337 |
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Wow, does no one check the manga forum  ? |
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shirokiryuu Posts: 711 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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well, less than the anime section... less interesting topics maybe? |
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ParaParaJMo Posts: 331 Location: Gilbert, AZ, USA |
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| I say they should interview some high-profile NBA players and ask them if they know who Inoue-sensei or what the manga Slam Dunk is and see where this goes and this is all lame. I think this plagiarism thing is 10000000000000000000x more lame then that black player who thinks it's racist that they can't wear hip hop clothes in public.
Anyway, it's just like suing Morikawa, the creator of Hajime no Ippo for referencing Mike Tyson and other famous boxers in his manga and using real life title belts in his work as well. But considering that Morikawa also has influence in the Japanese Boxing Commission and being a coach for a world ranked boxer, I doubt anyone would touch him. |
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darkhunter Posts: 2982 Location: Los Angelas |
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LOL yeah right. There isn't a lot of manga fan. Plus there's more intellectual topics which scare most noobie anime fan away, Kiddo. |
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| dormcat Encyclopedia Editor  Posts: 7337 Location: Hsinchu City, Taiwan, ROC |
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Wanna bet? That was a very US-based and American-styled statement. |
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| deathbringer Posts: 276 |
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And grammatically incorrect. |
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Minoru-sama Posts: 10 Location: Bay Area, CA |
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| I think this claim of plagiarism is pretty baseless. Anyone who has even basic knowledge of basketball knows that all the poses shown are extremly common, and the one of Jalen Rose is just him glaring at someone. If you don't believe me just look at the photos section under each box score on this link. There are many photos that are very similar to the ones being used as evidence of plagiarism, and remember these are photos taken of NBA games just on last Friday, let alone the thousands of basketball photos out there.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ |
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| darkhunter Posts: 2982 Location: Los Angelas |
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You took the comment too literately. Well there aren’t as many manga fans in comparison to anime fan in the U.S.
Well the Jordan pose, it's just him doing a regular jumpshot. There are many people who shoot like jordan or try to and there are countless amount of picture out there. But Inoue did admit to using some of the poses he saw in NBA magazine. |
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FlamingPinecone Posts: 124 |
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| Good news: manga is getting free publicity =)
Bad news: while you can't copyright a pose you may however copyright a photograph which is why this has some legal standings. If he took them from his own NBA tapes or something this would be valid but from the looks of it he pulled them from NBA cards and newspaper. But, he didn't take the likeness or the exact picture, he just barrowed the clothes and the anatomy. how this is going down is a mystery FAWHOOOOOSH! |
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| metalformer Posts: 13 Location: Puerto Rico |
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 I didn't knew that. It makes sense, though. I studied architecture and there is a lot of designing going on there. It's not just drawing a "shoe box" as my teacher would say.  I understand why game developers would need authorization to replicate the stadiums. Thanks for pointing that out.  |
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VulgarKyo Posts: 6 |
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| I've seen the pictures and I must honestly say that it almost feels like a crime to be inspired.
It's almost as ridiculous as Donald Trump trying to put a trademark on the catch-phrase "You're fired". |
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jgreen Posts: 1231 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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| There is a history of this happening. Marvel Comics is in deep doo-doo for swiping a famous photo of the king of Spain. And pop singer Amy Grant successfully sued Marvel back in the 80s when a photo of her was redrawn for the cover of an issue of Dr. Strange. That being said, I really don't think Inoue will be in any sort of trouble for any of this stuff.... | ||||||||
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| Osaka-neechan Posts: 8 Location: Here, there, everywhere... |
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| I think it depends on what the copyrights for such photographs are - - Fine Print: Oh, damn, you copied his pose, we gonna sue you, sucker! Then again, lawyers seem to find it fun (or boring, they just get paid) digging deep into these things.
And what the hell are the photographers or whoever hired them going to do if they manage to track them down? "Slam Dunk? Is that a commerical or something?" Anime fans are wide-spread nowadays, but you don't see forty-year-old businessmen watching it in the U.S. Then again, I guess they do do their "Oooh, I'm a businessman, I'll loophole you and sue you anyway!" ...It's pretty much B.S. from start to finish. If it becomes serious (which I highly doubt it will), Inoue just has to come up with good arguements (and the ones here are basically it). [Comment made on Flower of Eden edited...since it seemed to cause confusion...or something...about the whole post.] Last edited by Osaka-neechan on Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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| Andromeda Posts: 119 Location: Florida |
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While I agree that the infringement is more obvious and more in-depth in the technical sense, it's usually useless to prosecute fanartists and fanfiction writers, because they aren't producing a professional work. Most fanartists put their work online FREE. And ALL fanfiction writers do. I've only seen two cases of somebody trying to charge people for copies of their fanfiction, and they BOTH were not only 13 years old but also got chewed out by a large section of the fandom (well, large considering they were random posts on LJ and fanfiction.net by exceptionally obscure writers). 
In fact, it's not even considered fanfiction if you get permission from the copyright holder and are making money from it. Then it's just a "derivitive work". And it's not fanfiction if you change names and a few other details; and you WILL, if caught, get in at least some trouble if you nick someone's story in a published work. Trust me. Also, fanfiction isn't written in cases where the author does not want it written - cases such as this include Anne Rice, Robin Hobb, Anne McCaffrey, etc. (though for different reasons in each; Anne Rice used to allow it, but then grew an ego and decided that only her canon would be allowed; Robin Hobb felt that way from the beginning, and finds fanfiction in general to be a waste of time... amusing and perplexing to an extent, actually, since she happens to be absolutely fine with fanART; Anne McCaffrey allows it now, but ONLY on a set of forums that she personally controls, and she gets veto power on it). Therefore, it only tends to happen, let alone on a large scale, when the author either actively allows and encourages it, or just doesn't care or deem it worthy of bothering with (Joss Whedon, for instance - creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer - loves the idea of fanfiction - hardly surprising, since he's doing derivitive work professionally on his childhood fandom of X-Men comics now. JK Rowling feels the same as well - so long as it's not kiddie porn, of course, which she can and does sue over). Not to mention, if it's an obvious enough parody, there's a slight touch of more legal padding to protect you, since parody has a bit more protection under most law I believe (at least, it's that way in the U.S.... and if I recall correctly, the U.S. is where the main servers of the entire net, otherwise known as the main channel of distribution for fanfiction, are located). Fanart... that's more iffy by far, actually. I regularly see it on eBay and such. And in reference to this, yeah, it's just as bad a copyright infringement, and probably worse due to doing more than copying poses, but actual character designs as well, designs that somebody was most likely paid to do. Worse, it usually has a double whammy of infringing not just on copyright, but also on trademark as well (since most of the really successful anime have their characters' likenesses or images trademarked, I believe). However, on the other hand... I often see creators talking in their manga's liner notes or on their sites about how "flattering" it is to have people draw their characters. If they aren't selling the fanart, nobody seems to have a problem with it. The fanart that does get sold is inevitably original pieces (you'd have to be a complete moron to sell prints of a fanart), and they tend to I think just fly under the radar somehow.
Actually, no, it's not. Copying a copyrighted picture (though I should note that I don't know if he even has done that much) is copyright infringement. Depending on the picture, in rare cases, it may also be trademark infringement (like if you copied the logo of something, I believe, or if it was a photo of a celebrity that said celeb actually uses in the sale of products or service, it may be protected under a trademark). Verbal or literary references are FAR different even from picture references. Why? Because picture referencing does in fact involve some level of outright copying. Talking about somebody isn't illegal unless it's slander. Writing about them isn't illegal unless it's libel. And if the literary reference, even if it's an actual allegory as opposed to simply mentioning events involving them or name-dropping, is parodical or satirical in nature, it has further protection, since parody is a protected form of free speech (I don't have experience with the manga you refrenced, so I'm just speaking generally here).
That... and unless he's participating in libel, he most likely is NOT breaking any laws.
Just clearing up some issues with some points brought up in the thread. I'm having internet troubles at the moment, so I can't judge how "copied" the pictures are, myself. 
Oh, but on a side note:
Oh yeah. Discouraging debate that OMG! disagrees with points you made, possibly foolishly because you were tired at the time and KNEW you might not make as coherent an argument as you would if you were truly alert... yeah, that's real mature. I can't agree or disagree with your points, having not seen all of the photos in question, and I also lean (again, without having seen the pictures yet) towards thinking "I think it was probably just referencing, and no judge would really take it seriously"... however, DO try to be, you know, remotely mature when you say things to try and make a point. Saying "I'm a bit tired, so I hope this made sense" is one thing. Saying the equivalent of "I'm tired, but if what I just said doesn't make sense or just doesn't fit with what you think or even KNOW... just STFU, I don't wanna hear it! I am perfect and can do no wrong, even when I'm tired and possibly somewhat incoherent!" ? Quite a different matter. And not exactly a good way to participate in any debate, even if said debate is an informal one on a message board. Because... really, it sounds downright whiny and really, REALLY sounds like you want YOUR opinion heard, but don't think anyone else who might concievably disagree with you should have the same right. In other words, you just proved yourself to be more than a little hypocritical. Exhaustion may excuse incoherency so long as it's noted and/or apologized for politely, but hypocrisy? Sorry, but no. 
I'll probably say more on this topic once I've gotten it so that I can actually view the pictures in question. -Andromeda |
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