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GATSU
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Zac: My bad. I misinterpreted a comment you made about Sailor Moon. I'll omit it. Sorry for accidentally pulling an O'Reilly there, bud.
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PantsGoblin
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| GATSU wrote: | | I don't even really understand Toei's logic in selling the show to 4Kids after the ratings for One Piece were so disappointing. Maybe they're still clinging to the hope that the company will break even with the dubbed and cut Shonen Jump dvds. It doesn't make sense. You take away Sailor Moon from the companies which know how to market it, but you sell PreCure to a company whose previous shojo acquisition was received well in spite of their refusal to support it. |
Well, despite One Piece being a failure, 4kids still has sh*tloads of cash from Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. They probably just offered the most money. |
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Yashouzoid
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| Tenchi wrote: | Within the timeslots they're given by the nets that buy the show, which are usually ratings deadzones, especially considering the migration of the bulk of the kidvid audience to Nickelodeon, which doesn't do business with those kinds of syndicators at all.
Yes, the timeslots in which 4Kids shows air are not the most lucrative, but they can't put the shows in the better-rated timeslots which the broadcaster/station won't make available to them. |
You do realize that 4Kids has dealt with Cartoon Network before, right? Winx Club, TMNT2K3, One Piece, the post-WB Pokémon movies, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, and Shaman King have all aired on the network. It certainly isn't impossible for them to secure a slot for Pretty Cure on Miguzi.
I'm sorry, but whenever I hear 4Kids say "We're going to make a huge hit of this show on 4Kids TV!" I'm just like "um, yeah right..." |
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Joe Mello
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| GATSU wrote: | | I'm not sure why Zac thinks they buy less crap than guys, though, since I can't imagine the average guy being into Kaleidostar or even Peach Girl. |
Guys like shoujo. Hell, I spent Katsucon buying Rayearth DVD's and Di Gi Charat plushies. While I'm sure there are males who won't touch shoujo with a 10-foot pole, some of us do like it.
Speaking of Kaleidostar and Peach Girl, why aren't we getting some of these types of shows and are stuck back in the mahou shoujo rut? Are we not ready as an audience for more serious stuff?
Someone asked why Toei was still working with 4Kids. Perhaps it's because 4Kids is all Toei's got. IIRC, they kinda overestimated their properties and got laughed out of negotiations.
| darkchibi07 wrote: | | I have to say that there's one interesting thing about Pretty Cure, and that's the girls actually fight. They actually use hand-to-hand combat and use a finishing energy-blasting move against their enemies which vaguely reminds me of something from DBZ. |
Oh, I'm sure that will make the Magic Scissors very happy. (4Kids doesn't seem to enjoy showing kiddie violence) |
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GATSU
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:21 pm |
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Pants: I'm sure 4Kids could pay more than other companies, but Toei's not looking at the bigger picture: Residual income from dvds and other assorted merchandise.
Joe: I'm not saying there aren't shojo crossover titles, but I think the bulk of it is likely to solely appeal to girls. Also, Toei could have easily sold their titles directly to FUNimation. Their track record's a lot better than even Viz with Naruto.
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PantsGoblin
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:21 pm |
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| Joe Mello wrote: | | Guys like shoujo. Hell, I spent Katsucon buying Rayearth DVD's and Di Gi Charat plushies. While I'm sure there are males who won't touch shoujo with a 10-foot pole, some of us do like it. |
I don't know about Rayearth but Di Gi Charat isn't really a shoujo. A lot of series aimed at males like to disguise themselves as shoujos though. Nurse Witch Komugi for example could easily pass off as a shoujo by just looking at the cover. Nurse Witch Komugi is far from a shoujo though. Despite all of that, yes there are guys who like shoujo (me included, I love Cardcaptor Sakura). |
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icepick314
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:42 pm |
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but is it okay for guys who are over 25 who LIKES shoujo shows like Card Captor Sakura and PreCure? Di Gi Charat and Snow Fairy Sugar both gave me instant cavities but those were fun to watch as well....
Although for some reason, I never REALLY liked Sailor Moon.... |
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Tenchi
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| Yashouzoid wrote: |
I'm sorry, but whenever I hear 4Kids say "We're going to make a huge hit of this show on 4Kids TV!" I'm just like "um, yeah right..." |
These kinds of shows are easier sells to merchandising companies if there's some kind of broadcast TV presence, and, on broadcast TV, the only timeslots available are low-rated ones.
Saturday morning used to be prime-time for the 4-11 demographic, but afterschool toy cartoons and Nickelodeon killed the broadcast TV Saturday morning star. |
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hanachan01
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When I saw this, my first thought was "I'm gonna kill myself." I really wanted to see PreCure, and 4kids I knew would ruin it.
Once I got over the initial thought(I do want to live, it was just shock), I decided to think about this a little more. Yes, I know 4kids licsensing it is bad, but the real question is-do we want this to be a flop or a hit?
If it is a hit, more kids will like anime. Also, a more popular show is more likely to have an uncut release.
However, if it is a flop, 4kids may give up the liscence, and a more-suited company such as FUNimation will then pick the series up to be released uncut.
As you can see, I'm unsure, but I do wish 4kids didn't have the liscence. |
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BlaqNumbr9
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:52 pm |
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4kids acquisition = the black, stinky hand of rotten death!!!
With that said, I'm looking forward to the carnage. |
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Yashouzoid
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| Tenchi wrote: | | These kinds of shows are easier sells to merchandising companies if there's some kind of broadcast TV presence, and, on broadcast TV, the only timeslots available are low-rated ones. |
See, it's funny because you're wrong.
Even if 4Kids *had* to put Precure on 4Kids TV, there's no reason why it has to be on at like, 7 o' clock where it's death is pretty much guranteed. Why not draw whoever WATCHES the block into checking it out by promoting it heavily on Fox (don't say they can't, they've done 4Kids TV ads during standard Fox, hell, on other CHANNELS), giving it a back to back premiere, you know, general hyping.
Then they could get merchandise out quickly and not like, two years after the show was premiered, in addition to a stable and wallet-happy DVD release (six months after the show airs with, say, 4 or 5 episodes for 20 dollars or so? Reasonable enough). Pretty Cure doesn't even really need all that much editing either, so it could possibly even be released uncut.
This is what I'd call a *good* attempt at marketing, something 4Kids knows nothing of, it would seem. |
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PantsGoblin
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| icepick314 wrote: | | but is it okay for guys who are over 25 who LIKES shoujo shows like Card Captor Sakura and PreCure? Di Gi Charat and Snow Fairy Sugar both gave me instant cavities but those were fun to watch as well.... |
I don't see a problem with it. I'm 20, but I know there are people who are twice my age and enjoy them. Personally I don't' really care, let them enjoy it, they're not hurting anybody. |
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Tenchi
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| Yashouzoid wrote: | | Tenchi wrote: | | These kinds of shows are easier sells to merchandising companies if there's some kind of broadcast TV presence, and, on broadcast TV, the only timeslots available are low-rated ones. |
See, it's funny because you're wrong.
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No, I'm not wrong. Big merchandising deals are not guaranteed by broadcast TV airings, but they're usually easier sells to merchandisers than shows that air only on CN, even if CN gets better (but not the best) ratings. At least for the pre-teen/tween demographics they're going after.
And we don't know at this point that it's not going to be on CN in addition to the Saturday morning airings, nor do we know the exact timeslot within the block 4Kids is giving it, but, since this show has a lot more merchandising potential than either Mew Mew Power or Magical Doremi, I have a feeling they're going to give it a better "push" and not put it in the suicide early morning slots (or the "opposite Spongebob Squarepants/Fairly Oddparents" slots). My semi-educated guess here would be either 8:30 a.m. or 10:30 a.m.
EDIT: Or let me put it this way, the shows that are more purely "toy commercials" tend to end up first on syndicated broadcast TV more often than they do cable, not that Nickelodeon in particular doesn't merchandise the heck out of their shows.
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Abarenbo Shogun
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:07 pm |
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| PantsGoblin wrote: | | GATSU wrote: | | I don't even really understand Toei's logic in selling the show to 4Kids after the ratings for One Piece were so disappointing. Maybe they're still clinging to the hope that the company will break even with the dubbed and cut Shonen Jump dvds. It doesn't make sense. You take away Sailor Moon from the companies which know how to market it, but you sell PreCure to a company whose previous shojo acquisition was received well in spite of their refusal to support it. |
Well, despite One Piece being a failure, 4kids still has sh*tloads of cash from Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. They probably just offered the most money. |
Well, would wouldn't say that Toei added a few "Contract Stipulations" to 4Kids in the deal?
Then again, this is the same company that wants a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon-style release for Battle Royale. Yeah, just as soon as we exterminate all the whackos, the fundies, and the overprotective parents, and disband the FCC. |
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TakinawaTonfa
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:30 pm |
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| Y'know, with One Piece being a notoriously bad dub, is anyone gonna really bother getting into show from the start with the 4Kids brand on it? Because I really think theres alot more awareness today, than say, the time of the Yu-Gi-Oh hype about how 4Kids tends to treat their properties.... |
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