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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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Jabberwock:
They just showed Ghibli movies subbed on TCM.  |
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Abarenbo Shogun Posts: 1573 |
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Only beause it caters to pissants that go to arthouses and actually being able to reading subtitles is a badge of honor. |
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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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| The target demo for TCM is mostly old geezers. So obviously the manager of the cable network was hoping to attract a younger audience when they broadcast the Ghibli movies. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Zippydsm Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 115 |
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| SUCK IT DOWN!!! 0_o
dang its been awhile sicne I had a dukey flash back *L* (Duke 3d) Anyway 4kids is now hiting reailty they can't keep brainlessly eiditing the hell out of shows they no longer are gettign the cash from Pokemon to do it "thier" way...even if they stoped with the mindless editing and went purely bad dub it most likely would not be enough to keep them afloat...they need to break down and setup a normal anime to DVD then TV plan...if not...thier gone in a year or 2....and frankly good riddance >> |
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Kouji Posts: 978 |
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| Zippydsm Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 115 |
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| Kouji
OMG we must protect kids from reading....0_o well khan is knowen to say kids don't read nowadays anyway >< |
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| Kouji Posts: 978 |
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| Huh? What does that have anything to do with what my post? I'm lost here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Zippydsm Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 115 |
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| Kouji
SUbtitle=reading showing it late at night garrenttes kids wont see it 4kids Prez hates reading and dosent want kids t read..mabye if more did they'd know the horror thats $kids. |
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| Kouji Posts: 978 |
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| Um, no. Even though I don't agree with Al Kahn's statement that kids not reading books is going to create problems for manga, what Al Kahn says about kids not reading as much as they should is true. The vast majority of kids and America in general doesn't read as much as they should. That's just the way it always has been and always will be. When was the last time you ever saw a kid read a book that WAS NOT Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings? And no, you can't use fads like Harry Potter or Chronicles Of Narnia or whatever as proof that kids like to read. Kids and people in general have always prefered to watch TV as opposed to reading. There's nothing really anything "wrong" with that. It's just a product of the laid-back, easy going culture America and just about every other country has passed down over the generations. It's just a part of human nature.
Even if kids do like to read books, that has nothing to do with subtitled anime. Reading books and watching subtitled anime are two entirely different things. Reading books allows children to read at their own pace, but for kids to watch subtitled anime, they have to be able to keep up with the fast-paced subtitles and not every kid can do that. It would end up being more hurtful towards anime's popularity for them to air subtitled anime series instead of dubs. It's a sad truth, but at that this stage, dubs are a neccessary evil for anime to succeed. Here's what would happen if they aired subtitled anime TV shows instead of dubbed. The people out there who prefer dubbed anime instead of subbed wouldn't watch it because of a lack of an optional dub track. Radical religious movements would complain about how subtitled anime is corrupting the youth of America with its controversial content and themes. Racist people who hate anything that's foreign wouldn't watch it and would only make fun of the Japanese's high-pitched voices. Kids that couldn't keep up with the subtitles' fast-paced timing would complain about the subtitles being too fast and wouldn't watch it. The casual anime fans that do like subtitled anime wouldn't watch it because most casual anime fans hate shows like Pokemon and Yugioh. And the few diehard purist fans out there who like those shows wouldn't watch it either because they already have their precious fansubs. TCM airing Studio Ghibli films subtitled were an expection because it was a special event celeberating Miyazaki-san's birthday. If they weren't celebrating his birthday, chances are they probably wouldn't have even considered airing them subtitled, and you can bet you'll never see them aired subtitled on TCM again until there's another special Miyazaki event. Until America starts to become more open-minded towards foreign cultures and languages, it is exteremly unrealistic to expect children's networks to air subtitled anime series on a regular basis. |
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darkhunter Posts: 2982 Location: Los Angelas |
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Who the hell are you? You come in here and make a post about the market and you don't know anything about. This news talk about Yugioh going down in popularity which mean less sell than previous years. But it still made more profit than most series being releease unedited. It's not proven that uneditting a series like Pokemon or Yugioh is more profittable than an edit version for tv, so please just stop saying if they didn't edit is better. They're aiming at young children which require editting to appeal to them. They are not cating to the anime fan. The dub itself is bad to you because it's suppose to appeal to kids, thus most children don't care if the dub is bad. I've never liked what 4kids done to some anime series but damnnnn... some anime fans are just idiots with thier mindless post. |
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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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Kouji:
I'm guessing the same number who watch shows like Bebop on Adult Swim.
You really should pick up a book called, "Amusing Ourselves to Death". It'll blow your mind on that misconception. 
The last time for me was Jurassic Park.
It's not that they "prefer" tv. It's that's they're discouraged from reading, particularly when their leader is a drunk-driving coke-head who didn't require an education or qualifications to be selected, not elected. The problem is Americans who read are treated like lepers. In Europe and Japan, reading is valued, because it's tied to the culture; but the only culture we have is the Enquirer.
It's as much a part of human nature as my professor joked that violence and competition are a part of human nature.
While we're at it, let's stop making tv close-captioned, because some deaf people can't keep up either. But seriously, we keep complaining that tv makes our kids stupid; so why is encouraging them to improve their capacity for learning and absorbing information an even bigger no-no? It's that kind of true stupidity that forces PBS to beg for a fraction of the money going to wipe out innocent people in Iraq.
They already did so when Pokemon was dubbed, so no dice.
The homophobes who trashed the Teletubbies and Spongebob didn't stop kids from watching those shows.
They don't anyway.
That's what they've been saying for years about anime on dvd. (Even Chris B. was making that idiotic argument about Love Hina.)
And most Americans are likely to know who Miyazaki is because...? |
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| Zippydsm Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 115 |
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| I admit the "the suck it down" comment is a bit harsh but 4kids needs to pull its head out of its ass and face reailty they no longer are makeing the money they use to to keep editing shows they way they are.
One reason why 4kids has done well is pokemon,its a easy port light editing,ect,ect,ect. Of corse do I think 4Kids will change the way it edits befor it dies no...they have made that pretty clear,I wish they would either drop dead or sub licens shows so soemone else can fix them...but oh well..all I can do is whine and complain over the shows I know about,I wish they would put fighting food ons on DVD I liked that eough to actual buy it ^^ working on getting Medabots from ADV its odd its a 5 or 6 ep a dvd I like that sicne nervland went cheap on dubing they should round out the 52 ep series in 9 or 10 volumes! I am sorry that I can't let it go viz is sliping aliltte ,Naruto is to 4kids like in VAing and frankly that pissies me off and scares me at the same time if the next show they get they skip the whole sub/anime thing like 4kids is doing.....but then I needlessly worry..and think about dumb things... again sorry if my mindlessness pisses you off...soem people get tired of dealing with me ^^ |
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| Kouji Posts: 978 |
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I never said we shouldn't encourage kids to improve their reading more. I'm just saying it's unrealistic to take such a big business risk by suddenly removing all televised edited dubbed anime and replacing it with subbed-only versions when not every kid that reads out there likes to watch subtitled anime all for the noble sake of "encouraging kids to improve" their reading skills by forcing them to read the fast-paced subtitled TV shows when all they want to do is just relax on a Saturday morning by watching one of their favorite cartoons. Pokemon may have already been bashed by religious groups, but airing uncut subtitled versions of Yugioh or Shaman King in place of their edited versions on Saturday mornings all for the sake of a few whiny purist fans certainly isn't going to help improve anime's image in the U.S. any. And if you don't believe me that TCM aired the Studio Ghibli films to celebrate Miyazaki-san's birthday, read ANN's own news article about it for proof: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ |
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| Zippydsm Exempt from Grammar Rules Posts: 115 |
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| Kouji
I even get sub only is an impossiable move for TV and bearly usefull for cable (reg and premium channles) But realy is it such a bad move to ahev Sub on DVD? ....alhto I think I jsut answered my Q *L* GATSU wow dude just got done reading your post twice....NICE!!!!!! |
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| GATSU Posts: 8413 |
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Kouji:
But the people who watch TCM aren't kids.
If they up late to watch Skinemax, they'll stay up late to catch TCM.
It's no more of a business risk than paying millions of dollars for popular anime shows in Japan which have little-to-no merchandising value in the U.S.
I don't doubt that that was one of the reasons they did it. But that's obviously not the main reason. There's an audience for his films, and TCM wanted that audience to be aware of the content on their network. And I'm assuming Di$ney did this for a similar reason. They wanted the audience which watches TCM to be aware of Ghibli. Brand awareness. Simple economics. |
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