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NEWS: Pokemon Voice Actors Replaced with Sound-Alikes


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writerpatrick



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:59 pm Reply with quote
It reminds me of how ReBoot fans didn't like the change in VAs for Bob. I also recall reading Tony Jay complaining about celebrity VAs being used rather than the veterans.

I don't know how many years Pokemon still has, but they should stick with the same VAs until the end. If they change the VAs it could drop tremendously. 9 years of hearing the same voice would be disruptive, and NA fans are getting tired of the show. I wonder if the same VAs are doing the Japanese version.

I think the show itself has problems. After 9 years, should Ash be an adult? Even if time compression is taken into account, he should at least be a few years older. Doesn't this kid ever go to school, or don't schools exist in their world? That should take up some time.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:32 pm Reply with quote
This is gonna be hell.

I've watched Pokemon since...well. When it came on at 7:30a.m.

I can't imagene Brock and James withouth Eric Stuart. I love thsoe two so much- I don't want them to change.

I'm sure there's nothing we could possibly do- even if we did say something companies hardly listen anyway.

I figured that Pokemon was going to go off the air altogether. This makes me feel a little bit better but still hurts.
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XtremeAnimeDan



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:05 pm Reply with quote
Rosyna wrote:
I think the bigger issue here is that people are complaining that 4kids is losing a property. I've never seen a 4kids production that wasn't noticeably butchered. Many are soo bad that you can even tell it was butchered without having seen the show in the original language.


People aren't complaining that 4K!ds is losing a property. Offically, 4K!ds never had anything other than dubbing rights for Poke'Mon. Viz Media has always owned the release rights because they were granted them by Poke'Mon USA. People are complaining that Poke'Mon USA is going to use voice-a-likes when they are based in NYC and the current VA's are in NYC. They could change dub companies and still use the same VA's if they were willing to (these VA's aren't only licensed by 4K!ds after all), but they are changing them completly which isn't fair when the current VA's have been on board for such a long time. Any anime series should remain consistent with their voices, which is why FUNi went back and redubbed the early episodes of Dragonball Z. Unless Poke'Mon USA plans on doing the same thing, then they should just pay the little bit extra and stick with the same VA's.
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:51 pm Reply with quote
Well, I don't think that people should complain until all the facts are out. We don't know..

a. If the VA contract with 4Kids excluded them working for another dub company on the same project and/or in the same role. ( a no-compete clause)

b.How much of a pay decrease are we talking about?

People can be nostalgic about the current VAs, but reality is reality. If there was not a no-compete clause in their contract, then the VAs chose not to accept a lower salary. In any other job where this scenario happens, that person loses his/her job.

If this is the case, then attempting to rally fan support to reinstate their jobs is just not a good thing to do imo.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:06 am Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Well, I don't think that people should complain until all the facts are out. We don't know..

a. If the VA contract with 4Kids excluded them working for another dub company on the same project and/or in the same role. ( a no-compete clause)

b.How much of a pay decrease are we talking about?

People can be nostalgic about the current VAs, but reality is reality. If there was not a no-compete clause in their contract, then the VAs chose not to accept a lower salary. In any other job where this scenario happens, that person loses his/her job.

If this is the case, then attempting to rally fan support to reinstate their jobs is just not a good thing to do imo.


Since the current VA's have commented that they'd be willing to go to another company and dub the voices if they were offered the chance, then it does seem to indicate that the 4K!ds contract does allow them dub other shows. It is also important to realize that some of these VA's have dubbed other shows while working with 4K!ds for other dubbing companies, once again showing that they don't have a no-compete clause in their contracts.
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bluesheep02



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:27 pm Reply with quote
ok, but there bigger issue is the 10th anniversary special set to air on April 29th....It's exclusive to the U.S...IT'S ANIMAITED BY AMERICANS!!!!! Should be interesting.....
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The Frankman



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:58 pm Reply with quote
Anime_Freak wrote:
LIke Yu-Gi-Oh!, when Pegasus' henchmen had Tea, Tristan and Bakura(Being held by Tristan on his back) cornered in the castle with no way out, and they were pointing their fingers at them?

Hey . . . they had bad@ss fingers. You needed to fear those fingers, I heard those fingers shot lazers! Rolling Eyes

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I think the show itself has problems. After 9 years, should Ash be an adult? Even if time compression is taken into account, he should at least be a few years older. Doesn't this kid ever go to school, or don't schools exist in their world? That should take up some time.

They NEVER pay attention to that. Not only is Ash's voice not getting deeper, it's getting higher. Excluding the first season when Ash's voice for the first 10-15 episodes was noticeably deep, compare every series after that.
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coldspider



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:52 am Reply with quote
The Frankman wrote:

They NEVER pay attention to that. Not only is Ash's voice not getting deeper, it's getting higher. Excluding the first season when Ash's voice for the first 10-15 episodes was noticeably deep, compare every series after that.



Uh,no.

Ash's voice has gotten deeper.All of the fans who have sticked with the series for this long will agree on that.If you still think otherwise,then I don't know what series *you're* watching. =/


It could have something to do with how long series has lasted and decided it was time to deepen Ash's voice a bit.(maybe...) But I think it's more likely that May was the bigger reason since she's one of the main characters and is also voiced by Taylor.With all the screentime May gets,Ms.Talyor probably decided to deepen Ash's voice so that there wouldn't even be a hint of similarity between Ash and May.


Delia (Ash's Mom) and May on the otherhand,Wow..... Again,both are voiced by Taylor but their voices sound almost identical,Delia just sounds like a grown up May.Can't wait for that episode,coming up soon actually.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:57 pm Reply with quote
coldspider wrote:
The Frankman wrote:

They NEVER pay attention to that. Not only is Ash's voice not getting deeper, it's getting higher. Excluding the first season when Ash's voice for the first 10-15 episodes was noticeably deep, compare every series after that.



Uh,no.

Ash's voice has gotten deeper.All of the fans who have sticked with the series for this long will agree on that.If you still think otherwise,then I don't know what series *you're* watching. =/

Um, yeah. Watch the first 5-10 episodes like I said. It's deeper than it is now. Not that it matters since a casual observer would note this, but I'm one of those people who stuck with the series for this long. Rolling Eyes

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It could have something to do with how long series has lasted and decided it was time to deepen Ash's voice a bit.(maybe...) But I think it's more likely that May was the bigger reason since she's one of the main characters and is also voiced by Taylor.With all the screentime May gets, Ms.Talyor probably decided to deepen Ash's voice so that there wouldn't even be a hint of similarity between Ash and May.

If you're reffering to my comment I don't buy it. It doesn't explain why it was so deep earlier in the series (May wasn't around then, just Misty and Brock), and the reverse has happened: Ash's voice has gotten scratchier and a bit higher.

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Delia (Ash's Mom) and May on the otherhand, Wow... Again,both are voiced by Taylor but their voices sound almost identical, Delia just sounds like a grown up May...

In a sense yes, but to me May speaks with much more tone and control to offset Delia's high-pitched, sing-song voice.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:37 pm Reply with quote
The Frankman wrote:

Um, yeah. Watch the first 5-10 episodes like I said. It's deeper than it is now. Not that it matters since a casual observer would note this, but I'm one of those people who stuck with the series for this long. :roll:


You're right, but that's only because the VA's were starting to get the feel for their roles. The first episode for every new VA has always been shaky (FUNimation's first non-Ocean DBZ episode comes to mind, as does Code Lyoko). For the vast majority of the series, Ash's voice has been higher than in those first few episodes, but it's remained constant.

...

A real change, though, would be Eric Stuart. Sure, he's hasn't had any tonal changes, but his inflections in all his dubs since he did work on Yu-Gi-Oh seem to harken to "Seto Kaiba". This is especially noticeable in Brock now, whereas in the early days he didn't sound so...aloof.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:09 pm Reply with quote
The Frankman wrote:

Um, yeah. Watch the first 5-10 episodes like I said. It's deeper than it is now. Not that it matters since a casual observer would note this, but I'm one of those people who stuck with the series for this long. :roll:



Oi,I'm aware that Ash's voice was deeper at the beginning of the series.It was probably due to Veronica Taylor trying to establish Ash's voice early in the series until it evolved into the voice we hear today.But you said,"Not only is Ash's voice not getting deeper, it's getting higher." That suggests it's still getting higher to this day.


But Ash's voice *has* deepened in Advance Generation.




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If you're reffering to my comment I don't buy it. It doesn't explain why it was so deep earlier in the series (May wasn't around then, just Misty and Brock), and the reverse has happened: Ash's voice has gotten scratchier and a bit higher.



I wasn't.I was referring to the deepening of Ash's voice in AG.And I mentioned the reason behind that could've been 1),the series' length and it was time to drop Ash's voice a bit,or 2),the fact that Veronica Taylor was going to voice May (a girl) and that Ash already had a slightly high pitched voice at the time.Since both Ash and May are in the main group,it's likely Ms.Taylor decided to tone down Ash just a bit to widen the vocal range between the two characters.(or hell,the actual reason might be a combination of both)



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In a sense yes, but to me May speaks with much more tone and control to offset Delia's high-pitched, sing-song voice.



Well yeah,but I still find it amusing how similar both voices sound.And then throw Ash into the mix.It's 3 of Veronica Taylor's split personalities conversing with one another. XD
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:04 pm Reply with quote
I thought they had done a great job but to replace everybody is a little too far out.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:06 pm Reply with quote
biliano wrote:
You're right. We were discussing about this topic last week in the General Anime section and also over at the Anime on DVD forum.


Verification.

The posts on various forums by certain voice actors is incredibly one sided, biased and misleading. We spent our time talking to industry insiders to find out what exactly was going on.

Unfortunately our sources refused to be quoted (except for Veronica), and didn't want certain info repeated because it could jeopardise their anonymity.

So while we didn't repeat the anonymous info, we were able to use those sources to remove the false information from what we posted.

I really wish the verification process would go faster, so that we could post 100% accurate information minutes after we hear the rumors, but unfortunately thats not how it works.

Given the choice between posting possibly misleading info early, or waiting a couple days (or in this case over 2 weeks) to post accurate info, I'd rather wait.

For the rumours, there are blogs and forums that people can read.

That being said, I'm not really happy with the way this worked out (2 weeks!, and it isn't the first time), so there's definitely room for improvement on ANN's part. We need to be more active in getting the neessarry verification info sooner. We'll work on it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:00 am Reply with quote
I had heard from someone in the know that the original VAs could switch over to this new production but would be basically black listed from further 4Kids productions. Considering how 4Kids is the major player in the NY area it looks as if the main cast doesnt have a choice. Who knows though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:26 am Reply with quote
Nexus810 wrote:
I had heard from someone in the know that the original VAs could switch over to this new production but would be basically black listed from further 4Kids productions. Considering how 4Kids is the major player in the NY area it looks as if the main cast doesnt have a choice. Who knows though.


I heard that even directors, and writers sort of fell under the same thing. One freelance writer went over and was let go from 4kids.

I have to say this whole thing is crazy. People are freaking out. It sucks that the original VA's aren't doing the rest of the work, but it really isn't the end of the world. So what if they are sound alikes, they use them all the time(not just for anime) for tons of stuff and lots of people don't care. I say, try to listen to the actor and evulate on their skills and not compare them to the original, because they aren't and it's not fair to them.

that's my 2 cents.
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