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NEWS: Cosplay Photographer Arrested For Alleged Child Pornography in Japan


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:03 pm Reply with quote
At the end of the day... I think this will all be settled with the Camera man paying fines, lawyer fees, and "compensation damages" to the plaintiff Laughing
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On May 18, the suspect allegedly used a digital camera to take three "indecent" photographs of a 17-year-old girl from a local high school at a hotel in Ikeda, Osaka. He is also suspected of taking 520 other "obscene" photographs and 11 videos. According to the investigators, Mizoguchi is denying the charges, "I thought she was over 18. I don't want to talk about it." Mizoguchi reportedly added that he was running a cosplay photoshoot and reserved a studio.


I gotta call out this man's 'shooting' skills. He has yet to truly master 'the art of subtlety'.

In a normal, typical junior (U15, U12) to gravure idol video/photo shoot (IV), there's tasteful yet 'suggestive' ways in taking proffesional-grade photos without "crossing the line" as defined by "Japanese standards".

mangamuscle wrote:
CrowLia wrote:
... but since the girl is underage and she went with her mother to the police to denounce the guy, by law they have to prosecute him. Of course, it would also be worth asking if the girl truly intended to denounce him -felt harrassed- or if the mother saw the pictures and reacted badly to them (say the girl was cosplaying Yoko from TTGL), forcing the girl to make the accussation.


Let's think about what we do know, the guy is not the equivalent of an sleazy hollywood producer, nor some rich politician or industrial, his actual job is taking pictures of cosplayers and publishing them. The girl was an actual cosplayer, not a naive girl that got into a costume from a character she never had seen. AFAIK, he should first show the photos to the girl before publishing them, so there are three logical scenarios.

1) He didn't abide by the cosplayer desires and published some photos she thought were unflattering and/or unprofessional and was so pissed she went out for revenge. Alternatively she could be mad at the photographer for another reason.

2) The girl asked for more money for the photo shoot, he said no; She threatened to sue him if he didn't fork the money, he didn't believe her and the girl went forward with the demand.

3) Some family member/friend recognized her in the photos of the of a magazine, told the family about it and the parents to cleanse her honor made her fill the demand, no doubt saying absurd things like "he made me doi it, boohoo, boohoo".

My bet is #3.

Sadly this spells the end of any extra cash for high school (or even some college) cosplayer girls, since from now on no japanese photographer will risk his career, no matter how much this girls like to cosplay (and use the money to finance said habit, since no doubt it must be common to hide it from their parents).


That sure is another way of looking at this situation. Combine it with incompetent video/photo shooter (as I pointed out above) and you have a trainwreck waiting to happen.




NOTE: The preceding comments is all pure speculation


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3. immediately start blaming the victim

So never ever in the history of ever has someone who might typically be called the victim been someone who had an agenda, abused peoples concience and set someone else up?


Why are you such a paranoid cynical jerk who automatically assumes the victim of sexual abuse is faking it for personal gain?

What happened to you where that's your automatic "question", that's automatically where your "skepticism" goes? Had it ever occurred to you that bringing that sort of thing up immediately in every case where there's an alleged sexual predator makes you seem like a horrible human being?
What Zac? You're overreacting again. I'm NOT supporting the idea that we should have a default assumption the girl must have had an agenda, I'm merely putting out the idea that it's *possible* otherwise this lends any judgment you make about the case as being exceedingly naive. You're not naive are you Zac?

Besides, I don't recall actually taking sides for either the photographer or the cosplayer in my initial reaction. If you read it again, I was clear I think both parties had the best intentions, assuming (because that's all we can really do) the claims about some of photos being indecent are overblown. Possibly risqué but subject to knee-jerk reactions simply because the girl is classified as a child. However a little grey area exists because she's almost an adult and this lends to fudge room for that oh so very common mistake "I didn't realize she was underage."

Would the guy have been even taking risqué photos if she was 11 or 12. What do you think?


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Seeing what direction the law is taking, I'm surprised they are not arresting every adult in a beach that glances at an underage girl with a bikini. Laughing

Can someone reasonably and calmly (I don't want to be attacked just for asking one simple question) explain me why people these days are so worked up about anything that can be considered "sexual"? I never understood that, and no one ever provided me with good enough arguments for me to make up my mind about it (then again, I didn't ask about this a lot, since it is such a "sensitive" topic). It's almost like people have this strange mindset that anything sexual = evil. Confused
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Zac wrote:
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3. immediately start blaming the victim

So never ever in the history of ever has someone who might typically be called the victim been someone who had an agenda, abused peoples concience and set someone else up?


Why are you such a paranoid cynical jerk who automatically assumes the victim of sexual abuse is faking it for personal gain?

What happened to you where that's your automatic "question", that's automatically where your "skepticism" goes? Had it ever occurred to you that bringing that sort of thing up immediately in every case where there's an alleged sexual predator makes you seem like a horrible human being?
What Zac? You're overreacting again. I'm NOT supporting the idea that we should have a default assumption the girl must have had an agenda, I'm merely putting out the idea that it's *possible* otherwise this lends any judgment you make about the case as being exceedingly naive. You're not naive are you Zac?

Besides, I don't recall actually taking sides for either the photographer or the cosplayer in my initial reaction. If you read it again, I was clear I think both parties had the best intentions, assuming (because that's all we can really do) the claims about some of photos being indecent are overblown. Possibly risqué but subject to knee-jerk reactions simply because the girl is classified as a child. However a little grey area exists because she's almost an adult and this lends to fudge room for that oh so very common mistake "I didn't realize she was underage."

Would the guy have been even taking risqué photos if she was 11 or 12. What do you think?


As I pointed above, in a normal, typical junior (U15, U12) to gravure idol video/photo shoot (IV), there's tasteful yet 'suggestive' ways in taking proffesional-grade photos without "crossing the line" as defined by "Japanese standards". My best bet is the latter by "crossing the line" with his (last, and hard-to-define) "grey" subject.

There's a multimillion dollar and completely legal enterprise in Japan that caters to that above niche... complete with handshake & autograph signing, and Q&A sesions in events held in Akihabara and sponsored by Softmap Co. (a subsidiaty of Bic Camera Inc.) Youtube Keyword: ソフマップ イベント (sofmap events)


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Mizoguchi reportedly added that he was running a cosplay photoshoot and reserved a studio.

Correct me if I were mistaken, but judging to the Japanese news reports,
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同署によると、溝口容疑者は3月にコスプレ愛好者のサイトで女子生徒と知り合い、「コスプレの撮影会をしよう。スタジオを予約していて、もう1人女の子がくる」などと嘘をいって女子生徒を誘い出したという。

It was the police who told the media that suspect Mizoguchi asked cosplayers out by telling them "I'm organizing a cosplay photoshoot. A studio has been reserved; please come by yourself." It was highly unlikely that Mizoguchi had actually prepared a photoshoot; that was simply an excuse to lure girls to a hotel (where he called it "studio").
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:11 pm Reply with quote
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While the age of consent in japan is 13 (though that isnt that simple, you can still be arrested if your 30 and have sex with a 13 year old), You can't legally appear in porn until you're 18 I believe.

IIRC, and don't quote me since I have not looked this up right now: the national law may say 13, but most if not all prefectures have local laws at a higher age.
Also, as has been pointed out, the age of consent for sex is different to the age of consent for pornography anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:15 pm Reply with quote
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Mizoguchi reportedly added that he was running a cosplay photoshoot and reserved a studio.

Correct me if I were mistaken, but judging to the Japanese news reports,
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同署によると、溝口容疑者は3月にコスプレ愛好者のサイトで女子生徒と知り合い、「コスプレの撮影会をしよう。スタジオを予約していて、もう1人女の子がくる」などと嘘をいって女子生徒を誘い出したという。

It was the police who told the media that suspect Mizoguchi asked cosplayers out by telling them "I'm organizing a cosplay photoshoot. A studio has been reserved; please come by yourself." It was highly unlikely that Mizoguchi had actually prepared a photoshoot; that was simply an excuse to lure girls to a hotel (where he called it "studio").



It's also a telltale sign that his biz is BS when he don't have lighting crew, hair stylists and make up artists (and extra bonus: catering crew) with him.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:27 pm Reply with quote
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that was simply an excuse to lure girls to a hotel (where he called it "studio").


Objection you honor, the word "lure" used here implies bad intent by part of the photographer. I see nothing wrong about reserving a normal hotel room for a photo shoot (it gives the privacy booth parties require). With modern photographic equipment any room can become an studio (I have a friend that has a photo hobby and does not need to rent a fancy studio). The same can be said about music composition, a session for mixing prerecorded vocals with the music track can be done in room with electricity and the right hardware/software and heck, if you use vocaloid you do not need prerecorded voices at all.

Obviously the photographer is not part of a big company (otherwise it would have been mentioned already) so it makes sense he uses hotel rooms to shoot the photos.

NGK wrote:
It's also a telltale sign that his biz is BS when he don't have lighting crew, hair stylists and make up artists (and extra bonus: catering crew) with him.


I repeat myself, you have no idea how much photos/videos are done nowadays without non of those and still make a profit. I could point to one such site, but you do not want me to, every time I do people start screaming in agony *Anime smile*
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 pm Reply with quote
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It's also a telltale sign that his biz is BS when he don't have lighting crew, hair stylists and make up artists (and extra bonus: catering crew) with him.

If it's just an amateur, non-commercial photoshoot, usually the photographer has to take care of lighting, while cosplayer(s) takes care of his/her own costumes and makeups. Note that an amateur photoshoot doesn't necessarily mean shoddy quality.

mangamuscle wrote:
Objection you honor, the word "lure" used here implies bad intent by part of the photographer. I see nothing wrong about reserving a normal hotel room for a photo shoot (it gives the privacy booth parties require). With modern photographic equipment any room can become an studio (I have a friend that has a photo hobby and does not need to rent a fancy studio).

Guess what? I've taken cosplay pictures inside a hotel room myself, but NOT under 1-on-1 situation. With the exception of stable couples, any careful photographer or cosplayer would NOT enter a hotel room 1-on-1, as evil set-ups can come from either side (i.e., sexual harassment vs. badger game).

mangamuscle wrote:
I repeat myself, you have no idea how much photos/videos are done nowadays without non of those and still make a profit.

Well, I second you on this one, as I've met Iiniku Ushijima in person. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:09 pm Reply with quote
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However a little grey area exists because she's almost an adult


In Japan, you become an adult at age 20, not 18.


Ignatz wrote:

Seeing what direction the law is taking, I'm surprised they are not arresting every adult in a beach that glances at an underage girl with a bikini. Laughing


You can look but not touch. Dunno about talk.




Ignatz wrote:

Can someone reasonably and calmly (I don't want to be attacked just for asking one simple question) explain me why people these days are so worked up about anything that can be considered "sexual"? I never understood that, and no one ever provided me with good enough arguments for me to make up my mind about it (then again, I didn't ask about this a lot, since it is such a "sensitive" topic). It's almost like people have this strange mindset that anything sexual = evil. Confused


Nah, it's just when underage is involved; once they be legal, people see they can do whatever they heck they want.



(There's a pink version of that shirt which a friend bought for his girlfriend at Hershey Park. Laughing )


NGK wrote:
dormcat wrote:
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Mizoguchi reportedly added that he was running a cosplay photoshoot and reserved a studio.

Correct me if I were mistaken, but judging to the Japanese news reports,
Quote:
同署によると、溝口容疑者は3月にコスプレ愛好者のサイトで女子生徒と知り合い、「コスプレの撮影会をしよう。スタジオを予約していて、もう1人女の子がくる」などと嘘をいって女子生徒を誘い出したという。

It was the police who told the media that suspect Mizoguchi asked cosplayers out by telling them "I'm organizing a cosplay photoshoot. A studio has been reserved; please come by yourself." It was highly unlikely that Mizoguchi had actually prepared a photoshoot; that was simply an excuse to lure girls to a hotel (where he called it "studio").


It's also a telltale sign that his biz is BS when he don't have lighting crew, hair stylists and make up artists (and extra bonus: catering crew) with him.


Here's some advice from a model working in Japan: "Modeling in Japan 101: Watch out for Guy With Camera (GWC)"

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:10 pm Reply with quote
NGK wrote:
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Would the guy have been even taking risqué photos if she was 11 or 12. What do you think?


As I pointed above, in a normal, typical junior (U15, U12) to gravure idol video/photo shoot (IV), there's tasteful yet 'suggestive' ways in taking proffesional-grade photos without "crossing the line" as defined by "Japanese standards". My best bet is the latter by "crossing the line" with his (last, and hard-to-define) "grey" subject.

There's a multimillion dollar and completely legal enterprise in Japan that caters to that above niche... complete with handshake & autograph signing, and Q&A sesions in events held in Akihabara and sponsored by Softmap Co. (a subsidiaty of Bic Camera Inc.) Youtube Keyword: ソフマップ イベント (sofmap events)
Ah thank you for that information. Then therein lies the difference between something that's fully, legally and professionally organized, with all the appropriate disclaimers and such, versus a makeshift, hotel room, on-the-fly operation. I can see the advantage of fully registering your photo-shoot biz to remove the photographer from any liability even if the content is gravure and the subjects are underage. So, by consenting to be photographed, you are agreeing not to sue or indict the photographer as long as he or she abides by established standards of conduct.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:29 pm Reply with quote
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All we have is "on suspicions" here, the article doesn't say that illegal materials have been produced


Actually, the article does say that the items in question were produced, because they confiscated:

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"three "indecent" photographs of a 17-year-old girl from a local high school at a hotel in Ikeda, Osaka. He is also suspected of taking 520 other "obscene" photographs and 11 videos.


Those numbers aren't pulled out of a hat. That's what was found on him.
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It appears that Thrasymachus, Callicles, Glaucon, and Socrates were correct: "Justice" is conventional, arbitrary, and identical to law-abidingness.

My point is, Japan was recently debating the notion of lowering its age of majority to 18. If they had, all of the ephebophillic undertones in people's moral judgements about this case would have no foundation, and his actions wouldn't be wrong, in that sense.

So, identifying it as "child" pornography would just be ridiculous legal hair-splitting, as the legal age for porn participation is 18. In addition, Japan's age of consent is 13. If you're old enough to make decisions about who you want to have sex with, you're no longer fodder for moral guardians to protect the innocence and nescience of. It doesn't appear as though she was forced to do anything. So I guess we're running with "lured". Perhaps, just perhaps, she later regretted willingly allowing these photos to be taken, and well, you all know what happened after that.

I couldn't be a lawyer. I'd be laughing my way through the text books.
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"three "indecent" photographs of a 17-year-old girl from a local high school at a hotel in Ikeda, Osaka. He is also suspected of taking 520 other "obscene" photographs and 11 videos.


Those numbers aren't pulled out of a hat. That's what was found on him.


"Allegedly". But that's not the point. The point is that the policemen found the pictures to be "obscene" and we don't know if they were, and I gave you two reasons that may leave us (maybe not you) just enough doubt not to ridicule those who do doubt it.
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