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NEWS: Teacher Arrested for Showing Pornographic Drawing to Students


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halochief_90



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:20 pm Reply with quote
Why is it always teachers? These people get degrees for being smart, but are too stupid to control urges. Most teachers are married too, so I don't really get it.

Romuska wrote:
Notice they don't specify wheather the student's were girls or boys, because you know that a girl would probably report a teacher for something like that. But what 14 year old boy would rat his teacher out for having anime porn? If it was boys, they probably really hate their teacher.

Right. As a 16 year old "guy", I know that they wouldn't complain to their principle. They would either shout it out in the middle of class, or keep it to themselves and swear never to tell anybody. So, they most likely would have been girls, but something seems a little off if you ask me...
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Case



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:19 am Reply with quote
Mistress9 wrote:
However, the majority of people who do not know enough about anime consider it porn, therefore they may see often but will more then likely assume always.


Several people have made this statement in this discussion, and I can't help but ask, is this really true anymore?

I believed it 10 years ago when the only widely known anime in the USA were Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, and maybe a few other slightly-lesser-known syndicated shows...

...But in today's media environment, where polls show that a large percentage of anime fans are being hooked on the medium by Adult Swim; when several dozen fan-favorite anime films and series have been aired on at least a half dozen widely available television networks in the last 5 years, with at least one channel dedicated to the artform; and when Hollywood producers are clamoring over one another in a grab for remake rights of respected franchises -- do _that_ many people still think that graphic depictions of sexual activity are common in anime?

I think it was Coneheads, or another movie of about that era, where an actor playing a clerk in a comic book store shouted to a young teenage kid that "he better not be playing with himself to the dirty japanese comics", but I can't think of any memorable allusions to that phenomenon since then, and I've been reading current event-type news of that sort on a daily basis on this site for some 4+ years now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:13 am Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
Mohawk52 wrote:
My 11 and 13-year-old never has as far as I know


Did your parent know the first time you saw porn ? Sometime between the age of 12 and 16, most American children will get their first taste of porn. Around 12 and 13 their parents will assume that they haven't seen any porn yet, and around 16 their parents will just assume that the kids have seen porn.

(Yes, I know you're in England, I assume it honestly isn't all that different.)
-t
I think I mentioned somewhere here before that at the tender age of 8 I found a war time pornographic comic book, what we here could call a "doujinshi", featuring Popeye, Betty Boop, and Little Abner in my father's bottom drawer for which I received a few lashings of his belt when he found out. I can also still recall looking at Playboy stealthfully hidden behind a Beano (a british comic mag) at me local cornershop. It was easy to do as the proprietor was a lazy man and also had put the bread and cake display between him and the magazine rack. I couldn't have been much older. But my children do not live in my old neighbourhood thankfully, do not have a cornershop to go to even if allowed. and I have nothing pornographic in my house for them to find.

sorvani wrote:
11 and 13? most likely one has hit puberty and the other is on the cusp of it. That being said, haven't you given them basic sexual education discussions? If so then they should be aware of it. Or are you trying to ASSUME automatically that he's got hard core hentai & tentacles & other perverse concepts? When he could simply have had very normal hentai doujinshi with nothing more than basic sex between partners of the opposite sex? There is a world of difference. Bringing this back to your statement, if it is the second of my options, i would HOPE pubescent children have been exposed to it. Open & honest sexual education prevents many problems down the road.
Yes, we've had our little parental talks and discussions when the eventual questions had finally arisen. Also they had Local Education Authority approved sex education starting at year 5, (5th. grade) which they still receive at higher level in secondary school (junior high). We have family that have farms which we visit and both have witnessed the ram, and the bull in action in the fields. But that is not pornography in any way. My two naturally repulse at any hint of any sexual inuendo seen, or heard with a healthy innocent shyness that should be obversed at their age. In short they know what sex is, know what it's for, and exhibit a respect for it that it deserves. There is no respect in pornography in any way, shape, or form. That said I'm not that nieve and know that it's only a matter of time, but at least we can feel some relief knowing that they are aware of the difference and trust they will react in the proper manner. Nothing is guarranteed, except taxes and death, but as responsible parents we can only but try to set them on the right rails. I expect the last place for them to be ever exposed to porn will be at school and by one of their teachers.
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DaZ616



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:45 am Reply with quote
For this kind of thing happening with the teachers containing pornographic material etc.... its not really surprising anymore

... you'll often hear these cases around your country, if not, in a another continent.

in simple terms, these cases appear often in the world so its not really surprising anymore.

-DaZ
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Mithrandir2K



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:57 am Reply with quote
DJ Crunchberry wrote:
Who brings 65 pictures and a notebook full of porn to work on accident?


Someone who left his jotter and a scanlated volume of Negima in his shoulderbag. I'm not disputing the fact that the man is an idiot of the highest degree - I know several teachers and teachers-in-training who're anime fans, and all know that it's a hobby you have to leave at home even in its most innocent incarnations. But still, it is entirely possible that this is the press blowing the incident out of proportion.

The definition of what is considered pornographic is decidedly blurred - you can show some folks the Magic Knight Rayearth transformation sequence, and they'll swear blind that it's kiddy porn. It's arguable that Lyrical Nanoha's transformation sequence is sexualised nudity featuring a preteen. It all depends upon the perceptions of the individual - he might be the sort of sicko that gets off on Snow Fairy Sugar doujinshi, or he might have been carrying something that anime fans would treat as thoroughly innocuous.

Without more information it's difficult to say exactly how stupid the guy was - all we know for certain is that he was stupid.

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Kuririn



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:09 pm Reply with quote
i agree with most people here. The teacher was just plain stupid to bring that to school. But i don't know something is fishy here. Anyway for the person who said that he doesn't think his kids has seen porn,c'mon in this era where finding is really easy? Remember parents are always the last to know!
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:12 pm Reply with quote
Actually, I have to agree with Mohawk52. It is possible to raise your kids without having access to porn. In my original neighborhood in a major city, the only way for a kid to see porn was if the kid's parents had it. Then, the parents were thought of pretty badily for it. The kid was getting a bad rep. Someone that young having access to porn is still considered a big deal imo, esp. with the teen pregnancy rate, sexuality of minors and child prostitution that occurs now.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:23 pm Reply with quote
Case, I do believe it is still true that the majority of people who do not know enough bout anime, will view as nothing but porn.

This assumption of course has come from personal experince. I can't even count the amount of times that someone one, be it a family member, friend, aquaintace or some stranger that saw me leave the local anime store. Has asked me, why I watch that porn.

So yes maybe I am projecting but because of this, (it even happened again today. When someone saw me reading my Monster vol 2 manga on the skytrain and inquited why I read porn magazaines.) I also have head numerous other horror stories from other anime fans. So therefore, I maybe steatching it a bit. But this misconception (with my anime collection anyways) has happened far to often.
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Kuririn



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:11 pm Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Actually, I have to agree with Mohawk52. It is possible to raise your kids without having access to porn. In my original neighborhood in a major city, the only way for a kid to see porn was if the kid's parents had it. Then, the parents were thought of pretty badily for it. The kid was getting a bad rep. Someone that young having access to porn is still considered a big deal imo, esp. with the teen pregnancy rate, sexuality of minors and child prostitution that occurs now.

ummm... i dunno where was that neighborhood? Is very hard if not impossible in this day and age to keep the children away from porn.
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:53 pm Reply with quote
Come out to the Midwest. It is possible.
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Wolverine Princess



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I think it was Coneheads, or another movie of about that era, where an actor playing a clerk in a comic book store shouted to a young teenage kid that "he better not be playing with himself to the dirty japanese comics", but I can't think of any memorable allusions to that phenomenon since then, and I've been reading current event-type news of that sort on a daily basis on this site for some 4+ years now.


There was a rerun of Yes, Dear on TBS recently where the comic loving grandfather goes to a comic convention, and the discussion of "Japanese porno comics" comes up in the family. I've only seen about three episodes of this show and don't remember anyone's name, but I remember the scene going vaguely like this:

Some Guy: Do you have those Japanese porno comics?
Some Girl: (said excitedly) You mean that one where the evil villain comes in and kidnaps the girl and rapes her with his tentacles?
All the people in the room: (staring at her with raised eyebrows)

Later

Grandpa: Here you go; it's that Japanese porno comic. (Hands a couple of flimsy, colorful pages stapled together that HIGHLY resembles a regular American comic book to the other guy)
Guy: Hey...erm… th-thanks... (flips through the "book", quickly which takes two seconds because it’s only about twenty pages long.)
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Antoinette



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:47 am Reply with quote
jaybug39 wrote:
What I think is scary, is that the journalist reporting the news of this event, deliberately went out of his way to single out anime, and how it is often associated with pornography.


It is a good journalists job to research the topic. It is a sign of a bad journalist who uses the media as his own personal soapbox.

Having been an entertainment journalist since 2000, I can assure you this is very common in the world. But you also have to take some things into consideration... one, the part of the country this is taking place (what sort of mentality, morals, beliefs does this particular city hold), additionally, what type of person is this journalist (a conservative who truly believes in the will of God and George W. can do no wrong is more likely to start out being adverse to topics like anime because the general media *had* made it out to be violence and porn). Also, another thing to consider is what did this journalist use to do his/her research. Did they just google anime? Or did they google anime porn? At news stations, they have access to online databases of past articles... perhaps they cross referenced this story with past stories.

You don't know.

I do have to say I am very disappointed in the people that feel this is something the kids have or should have been exposed to already and feel that this is a grave threat against anime as a whole. Just because your parents let you have free roam of the internet and drop you off for a weekend at an anime con unsupervised doesn’t mean it’s normal and right. (Actually, I always wondered about the parents that do this…. I mean, maybe Florida conventions are very specific in this, but so often alcohol, drugs and porn are readily available to anyone of any age, so I do worry when I see that 16 year old being hauled off in an ambulance due to alcohol poisoning and wonder where the hell her mom was.)

I think you are truly ignorant about your hobby if you fail to see how much of Japanese Anime is steeped in fanservice, sex and violence. Take a look over in Japan… so much of the anime industry’s economy is fueled by maid café’s, porn shops, hentai and doujinshi markets. SEX SELLS. It’s just the nature of the beast. And there are far more common child (or at least young adults, until 18) porn style anime and dating sims in the open market then you would ever see in the states. I mean, really… if you don’t know anything about anime other than Pokemon, and you vaguely remember your college aged daughter liking Sailor Moon back in middle school, the rest that the general public sees are the more graphic based ones.

Another thing to note of sexual predators, if you google child porn and look through the images, the first page contains two anime styled drawings. One of some random, possibly independent or even American artist, another is of Pretty Sammy (though not from any actual Tenchi OAV/TV/Movie, yet still, here you have a commonly known anime character of under 16 years of age someone felt the need to draw in a very provocative position). Point being, if you are into child porn, or really any sort of porn, using the internet to find it is going to inevitably return with some results from anime and manga. If you specifically like underage kids, anime is a great “resource” for that perversion! Even you hard core Japanophiles cannot deny just how much underage anime style drawings and games are out there, and it would only be a matter of time for someone who was into that found it and added it to their collection.

Ok, time to get off *my* soapbox here. I just saw this thread posted in my news feed and couldn’t help but sound off.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:58 am Reply with quote
My parents did not keep porn in the house at all. My first exposure to it was when I found a magazine in the park trash outside the house. It is possible, I agree, to raise your kids without xposing it to them.
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Kuririn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:44 am Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
Come out to the Midwest. It is possible.

guess i'll have to here were i live it's very easy. Imagine my exposure to it was in elementary school when another kid brought a magazine to show to the other boys. And the mag wasn't from his house.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:02 pm Reply with quote
Antoinette wrote:
jaybug39 wrote:
What I think is scary, is that the journalist reporting the news of this event, deliberately went out of his way to single out anime, and how it is often associated with pornography.


It is a good journalists job to research the topic. It is a sign of a bad journalist who uses the media as his own personal soapbox.

Having been an entertainment journalist since 2000, I can assure you this is very common in the world. But you also have to take some things into consideration... one, the part of the country this is taking place (what sort of mentality, morals, beliefs does this particular city hold), additionally, what type of person is this journalist (a conservative who truly believes in the will of God and George W. can do no wrong is more likely to start out being adverse to topics like anime because the general media *had* made it out to be violence and porn). Also, another thing to consider is what did this journalist use to do his/her research. Did they just google anime? Or did they google anime porn? At news stations, they have access to online databases of past articles... perhaps they cross referenced this story with past stories.

You don't know.

I do have to say I am very disappointed in the people that feel this is something the kids have or should have been exposed to already and feel that this is a grave threat against anime as a whole. Just because your parents let you have free roam of the internet and drop you off for a weekend at an anime con unsupervised doesn’t mean it’s normal and right. (Actually, I always wondered about the parents that do this…. I mean, maybe Florida conventions are very specific in this, but so often alcohol, drugs and porn are readily available to anyone of any age, so I do worry when I see that 16 year old being hauled off in an ambulance due to alcohol poisoning and wonder where the hell her mom was.)

I think you are truly ignorant about your hobby if you fail to see how much of Japanese Anime is steeped in fanservice, sex and violence. Take a look over in Japan… so much of the anime industry’s economy is fueled by maid café’s, porn shops, hentai and doujinshi markets. SEX SELLS. It’s just the nature of the beast. And there are far more common child (or at least young adults, until 18) porn style anime and dating sims in the open market then you would ever see in the states. I mean, really… if you don’t know anything about anime other than Pokemon, and you vaguely remember your college aged daughter liking Sailor Moon back in middle school, the rest that the general public sees are the more graphic based ones.

Another thing to note of sexual predators, if you google child porn and look through the images, the first page contains two anime styled drawings. One of some random, possibly independent or even American artist, another is of Pretty Sammy (though not from any actual Tenchi OAV/TV/Movie, yet still, here you have a commonly known anime character of under 16 years of age someone felt the need to draw in a very provocative position). Point being, if you are into child porn, or really any sort of porn, using the internet to find it is going to inevitably return with some results from anime and manga. If you specifically like underage kids, anime is a great “resource” for that perversion! Even you hard core Japanophiles cannot deny just how much underage anime style drawings and games are out there, and it would only be a matter of time for someone who was into that found it and added it to their collection.

Ok, time to get off *my* soapbox here. I just saw this thread posted in my news feed and couldn’t help but sound off.


I think you are also biased. Yes, there is loli and shota and hentai and what-not, but judging by what you are saying, you think all anime is either kiddy-stuff like the dubs they show on TV or porn. Watch Cowboy Bebop and Monster. Those are mature animated shows from Japan that aren't porn. In fact, Monster doesn't even have any sex appeal-it sells based on the fact that it is really well-written, smart, and emotional.
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