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Js2756
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 Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:18 am |
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Happy Lesson didn't do all that well. If it did, the rest of Happy Lesson would've been licensed. I purposely omitted any Type Moon work because the anime created based on them are so different than that of an Air, KGNE, Kanon, that they can be easily marketed while staying far away from the fact that they were based on eroge. The same applies for Utawarerumono and the Sakura Taisen franchise.
Happy Lesson and Comic Party are also not drama series. It is much easier to market a comedy series than it is a drama series like Air. These series can rely on the fact that there is already a bevy of comedic harem anime in the market thanks to shows like Tenchi Muyo! and Love Hina. This is why KGNE and To Heart are important. They are actual drama series based on eroge that are licensed and may see North American release. If both fail, expect a lot of second guessing when it comes to licensing a show like Air or Kanon.
As for the importance of internet buzz, it can be the determining factor in whether or not a show will be licensed. Look at Azumanga Daioh for example, a show that was licensed in large part to the fact that it had generated a huge amount of internet buzz prior to being released state-side. I personally think that both Air and Kanon can stand on their internet buzz alone, but if KGNE and To Heart set a bad precedent for them, it would be a clear indication that there isn't a market here for these types of shows. |
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Richard J.
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Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:12 am |
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Speaking of To Heart, did TRSI ever give a street date for it? I know they've had to do some major work to clean it up and remaster it.
Also, when it comes to conventions, no matter what kind of con it is there will be a few nuts. I typically go to Dragon Con in Atlanta every year (I've always been a sci-fi and fantasy fan) and every year there is at least one total nut running around.
Last year there was a wacko politico wandering about verbally abusing anyone wearing anything that could be construed as patriotic. Why someone would want to harass people at this type of convention for wearing a flag pin or something similar is beyond me but I just avoided the crazy chick.
The rant was spot on. Some people need to learn some basic manners and others need to just keep in mind that anime (or sci-fi/fantasy/horror/etc.) is ficitional. The VAs are not really their characters and typically have no part to play in how a series was made. Some questions are not appropriate. Remember that getting to see a VA, a series creator, an artist, or a musician at a con is a privalege. You have no right to ask things of them that are embarrassing or demand things of them beyond what they are willing to do. |
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Yoda117
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:07 am |
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| jsevakis wrote: |
One year at ShoujoCon, there was also a convention of souped-up VW owners, who all seemed to be preppy jocks and vacuous bombshells. This didn't mix well with the cosplayers, some of whom were quite taken with the girls to the point of flirting with them on a level usually reserved for 5-year-olds. (i.e. ducking behind a corner and following them until confronted, then explaining "I'm haunting you...!". This usually gets a response of "Oh... My... God.") That scene pretty much summed up north Jersey for me.
There was this one smaller con I went to (that shall remain nameless) that was in the absolute MIDDLE OF NOWHERE (at least to a city boy like me), in the south somewhere. The sort of place where you pass the sign that says "city limit" and all you can see are trees.
How can I put this in a non-offensive way...? Well, let's just say that I really think there was very high number of people with real mental handicaps at this convention. It's really the only explanation for what I saw. So if we're talking in terms of local stereotypes, there are a few social situations that result in a high number of birth defects. For example, having a cousin that's also your wife that's also your half-sister that's also your mother...
Ooh. That got offensive, didn't it?
Quick, someone from the Netherlands! Tell us there's a lot of stoners at an Amsterdam con! |
Justin,
It depends on where you go in Amsterdam. If you haven't been, it's a bit different than its reputation.
Yeah, I'm with you on the whole con-goers becoming a bit dumber when at the con. It happens. Although I can also say that about guests too. Now stick with me on this one...
Familiar with the gestalt theory of psychology? It states that people tend to do things that they wouldn't normally do when in groups. Pretty simple. Now put that into a con, which is basically nothing more than semi-organized chaos. To that end, most people are good natured, but they start to go on auto-pilot. Now you've got a few hundred/thousand people who are not actively thinking running around hyped up on 72+ hours of anime. Man, even I start to question my own actions at that point.
And this is why I end up heading back to my room or to a poker game whenever I get the chance. Really, I love cons, I love the people (even the crazy ones), but damn... I need some decompression time at least once during every con.
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gonna jump track here for a minute, because some people were making comment about East/West Coast otaku and some stuff about how fans treat guests.
I'm with you on the East/West Coast thing. Being on the East Coast, I notice that there is definately a higher energy level of the otaku at a con compared to West Coast cons. I think that since anime isn't as prevalent here, that the significance of the con is amplified, and people respond in kind. I also see this as a better means of people being able to connect with other anime fans, because the Asian influence is not as significant here as it is on the West Coast. Also, the general mindset of the population is different. You guys are a bit more laid back than the EC (and I love that). So, the otaku don't bounce off the walls more readily.
As for the comments about how fans treats con guests. I couldn't agree more. Seriously, I love going to industry panels, VA panels, etc. But outside of the unplugged panels, I don't much go to them anymore because they all seem to go the same way now. This is especially true for the VA panels, where at least one person every hour is going to try to ask how to get into the industry (there's one guy at Otakon who did it every year for four years... it drove me nuts, but thankfully I didn't go to the VA panel this year). Moreover, for some reason, there is a growing number of people who truly believe that the guests are there for thier own pleasure. Hey, it's great that David Williams, or Greg Ayers is willing to chat with me or say hello when I pass them in the halls. That doesn't mean that they know me, or that I know them. They aren't there to do what I ask, or play a game, etc. They're ordinary people, just like me, and should be offered (at a minimum) the same level of respect and privacy that is offered to others.
My rule of thumb is that if I treat others with respect (regardless of who they are), then odds are, I will recieve the same in kind. It's a bit of a karma thing. And trust me, it does pay you back in one form or another  |
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hikaru004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:15 pm |
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| HitokiriShadow wrote: |
I've heard people say this, but I've never (as far as I can recall) actually heard it from an official source. It seems to be speculation by fans being spread around as fact. Besides, Air is about a year and half old now, so you'd think the licensing costs would have gone down. |
I bet it went up after the Blu-ray announcement.
Besides, Kanon 2006 got featured in Newtype USA, so there is some buzz here. It was also featured for 2 months in Animage in Japan. and included more Air promo.
| Js2756 wrote: | | Read it for yourselves again-hikaru004. |
If one continues the line of reasoning that one should support Rumbling Hearts and To Heart to ensure Air and Kanon possibly coming over, then one should have extended it backwards in the licensing history for Region 1 titles. Meaning that one should have called for people to have supported Diamond Daydreams which is a drama based off of a ren'ai title that was released by ADV.
This title is also spiritually closer to Air and Kanon imo.
Besides those online surveys aren't scientific. Those results should be taken with a grain of salt.
There's no harm in calling for support of a title. It's success is not a guarantee that another title will come over imo.
Richard J., I didn't hear about a street date yet. The only thing that I remember is some mention of the omake being acquired. |
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Riyousha
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:33 pm |
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 at the Hey Answerman rant. Because the character names linked to anime encyclopedias. |
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bayoab
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:34 pm |
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| daxomni wrote: | So, are there any reasons to actually visit a con? Some of you guys make these events sound like absolute hell. Suddenly I don't feel like I've been missing anything at all.  |
They really aren't that bad overall, but you know what they say about one bad apple. But there are exceptions though.
(Disclaimer: I find industry panels fun.)
AB has this one guy (who I think is the same guy someone else mentioned) who throws a hissy fit if things don't go his way. I have seen it happen in more than one year. On the good side AB always has some interesting panels every year to attend and very few of the attention-whoring fans overall.
I did not go to Otakon this year because for the past 2 years, the number of horny-early-teen-desperate-attention-whoring-fans has grown to an annoying level. Hopefully, the ban on signs this year reduced the amount of that. Otakon used to be fun to go to the dealers room and watch the big group cosplays down in the lobby. (Also to watch a few premieres of stuff that wasn't ready for AX).
AX is really fun if you enjoy industry stuff. It overflows with industry panels. If you want to hear the industry, there is a reason to go. |
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roujin
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:45 pm |
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| Quote: | BUt to be fair, Dallas is just way too easy to pick on. I mean did you notice how pretentious (undeservedly) people here are? Or how we put on make-up to walk to the ice machine? Or how extremely large the hair can be, even in 2006?? (I hope I am the only Dallas perosn here, so I don't get jumped at the grocery store tomorrow.) 
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i'm gonna get you
I don't frequent cons for the sole reason that I'm very paranoid of big crowds and things of that matter though I would love to at least attend one panel. |
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starcade
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:33 pm |
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To the person who was shocked at the questions at the Mana panel:
Geez... Laura Bailey got a "Tohru, will you marry me?" at her AX panel as well.
(Much to the mock consternation of Bailey's fiance.  ) |
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Dardre
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:34 pm |
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I think the rant was spot on. I've been to only one, smallish con and have seen those overly-familar, way too personal questions/additudes. I went to Neko-con 7 and was really looking forward to the ADV VA Commentary. I really enjoyed the experiance. The only sour note was that a girl sitting near me seemed to think Tiffany Grant and Greg Aryes were her best friends, and that the two VAs were there just to talk to her. I was horribly embarrassed, both for her and by her. I think that instead of people only asking questions they would, themselves, answer, people should be asking the kind of questions they would ask if their parents were standing behind them
I still chuckle when I remember Greg calling Monica Rial on his cell phone, while using the mic When Tiffany entered the room and Greg informed her that he was talking to Monica and that Ms. Rial was out shopping, her immediate responce was to ask if Monica had gotten any Hello Kitty stuff |
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starcade
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:38 pm |
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| bayoab wrote: | | daxomni wrote: | | So, are there any reasons to actually visit a con? Some of you guys make these events sound like absolute hell. Suddenly I don't feel like I've been missing anything at all. |
They really aren't that bad overall, but you know what they say about one bad apple. But there are exceptions though.
(Disclaimer: I find industry panels fun.)
AB has this one guy (who I think is the same guy someone else mentioned) who throws a hissy fit if things don't go his way. I have seen it happen in more than one year. On the good side AB always has some interesting panels every year to attend and very few of the attention-whoring fans overall.
I did not go to Otakon this year because for the past 2 years, the number of horny-early-teen-desperate-attention-whoring-fans has grown to an annoying level. Hopefully, the ban on signs this year reduced the amount of that. Otakon used to be fun to go to the dealers room and watch the big group cosplays down in the lobby. (Also to watch a few premieres of stuff that wasn't ready for AX).
AX is really fun if you enjoy industry stuff. It overflows with industry panels. If you want to hear the industry, there is a reason to go. |
Any reasons to attend a con... It's been getting more hit and miss for me lately too. Of course, I'm one of the few people who will get openly miffed if the screening schedule looks like (as in a San Fran convention I was at last weekend) it came from the wrong end of a bargain bin.
AX, as are most cons, is getting too big for the site. More and more cons are apparently having to look at reg-caps. Also, some of the cosplayers look just disgusting (Man-Faye and about 10 guys in their tighty-whities at AX come to mind!!).
Really, it's a bit of patience, and, more and more, it comes down to whether there is an anime or a performer you want to see. If not, well...
They just need to ban signs across-the-board at all cons. It's that simple -- otherwise it gets yaoi-intensive rather quickly. |
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pat_payne
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:43 pm |
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| starcade wrote: |
They just need to ban signs across-the-board at all cons. It's that simple -- otherwise it gets yaoi-intensive rather quickly. |
They actually started doing that on the second or third day of AX...people were waving signs like "hug me for 50 cents" or the like, and so worried about violating the law IIRC, the organizers put a blanket ban on all signs. |
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shirokiryuu
Joined: 11 May 2005
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Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:12 pm |
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| jsevakis wrote: |
Maybe AX will be fatter next year. Long Beach, CA is #7... |
Really? You think so? A lot of Californians are very health concious, with many vegetarians and people willing to exercize. Or maybe. that's just my area. 
Haha, we really need someone from the other side of this debate to talk. Just because i'm curious. |
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bluepita
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:27 pm |
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| roujin wrote: |
i'm gonna get you
I don't frequent cons for the sole reason that I'm very paranoid of big crowds and things of that matter though I would love to at least attend one panel. |
I am assuming you are in my area. Have you thought about attending AnimeFest? It's not as big as A-Kon (not as much fun imo either). They hold it at the hotel connected with Reunion. So it might be a good choice since you don't like big crowds. Especially if you try to go during the slower parts of the con. Just a suggestion. |
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Richard J.
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:10 pm |
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| hikaru004 wrote: | If one continues the line of reasoning that one should support Rumbling Hearts and To Heart to ensure Air and Kanon possibly coming over, then one should have extended it backwards in the licensing history for Region 1 titles. Meaning that one should have called for people to have supported Diamond Daydreams which is a drama based off of a ren'ai title that was released by ADV.
This title is also spiritually closer to Air and Kanon imo. |
Just in case you thought no one supported it, I bought every volume of Diamond Daydreams and my only complaint was that there wasn't an art box. Atsuko and Suomi were my favorites.
| hikaru004 wrote: | | Richard J., I didn't hear about a street date yet. The only thing that I remember is some mention of the omake being acquired. |
Too bad. I was hoping there was some clue on when it would be out. Nice to hear they got the omake but dang I've been waiting so long. 
Back on the subject of Zac's column, I thought it was rather magnanimous of him to say that the lolicon debate was unresolved. A lot of people would have just said that they were proven right in the debate and burn the lolicons at the stake. 
That's why I love to read Zac's column. Even when he disagrees with something or really doesn't like it, he tries to treat those who do like it with respect. I admire that. |
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hanachan01
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:11 pm |
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| starcade wrote: | To the person who was shocked at the questions at the Mana panel:
Geez... Laura Bailey got a "Tohru, will you marry me?" at her AX panel as well.
(Much to the mock consternation of Bailey's fiance. ) |
At ANext 06, the girl in front of me in line for the question asking at the FMA actors panel proposed to Vic Mignogna... supposedly, she had done it another time at the con.... |
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