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FireChick
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:03 am Reply with quote
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Yeah, the number of pantyshots in Girls und Panzer is zero. Zero.


Yay! Thanks for the info! I initially put it off for lack of time, but when I get around to it, maybe I'll watch it and see if it's really as good as everyone says.

And yeah, I absolutely HATE anime like Freezing, Kiss x Sis, Seikon no Qwaser, and pretty much anime that tricks me into thinking it's going to be clean and then throws fanservice in for no reason other than to draw in fans (Why, Nagi no Asukara?! Why have you fallen into this too?!). But if others like them, that's okay, just as long as they only watch it knowing that it's just cartoons, not something to fuel dirty thoughts and make people act on them. Heck, a lot of my friends watch ecchi shows, and they're okay with the fact that I don't like ecchi shows, and I'm okay with the fact that they watch them just for something funny.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:16 am Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
The only big seller I can't for whatever reason discern its success is Infinite Stratos, it just sits like anomaly for being a fairly generic harem that somehow manages to outsell everything like it by several factors; there's far better harem anime that do worse consistently.


Hell, I'm still watching Infinite Stratos this season, and I'm not even sure why. Laughing You're absolutely right that the characters are completely generic, the love comedy hijinks sometimes make me think my eyes are going to roll out of my head, and how oblivious Ichika is to the legion of girls obsessing over him is infuriating in how much it strains any narrative credibility.

Thinking about it, I think the two things I really like about Infinite Stratos are the combat sequences and the cast of international characters. Its like a moe G Gundam. The combination of those two elements with slick animation has conspired to keep me watching, and has allowed me to overlook the show's rather copious shortcomings.

It also explains why I've been much less enamored with it this season. The last episode had a nice little fight sequence in it, but most of the show's recent episodes have been throw away, fanfic level fan service scenarios, many of them starring the two new girls they've introduced that don't bring any new nationalities to the international mecha-musume dream team. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:21 am Reply with quote
Only one good thing ever came from Infinite Stratos, and it was that Gomamochi doujin where Charlotte was a guy. Not a futa, it was just...this alternate universe where everybody was exactly the same except for Charlotte who was a dude. Who looked exactly as his canon girl form but with...you know. And then he and Ichika banged.

Only thing about IS I have ever cared about. That kind of thing needs to happen for more series. Genderswap IS God's gift to the world.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:08 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
There's a difference between being discerning and being closed minded. If you are rejecting 85% of show purely based on their key visual, then you are assuredly missing out on shows you would like.

Additionally, if you preemptively dismiss all but 15% of shows, turning around and complaining about how oppressed you are by the lack of choices just comes across as petty whining.

YOUR tastes are not special enough to be granted any sort of special accommodation.
I do know what you mean but i was also talking if i see a picture of cute girls i kinda know what's going to happen and i'm out.
And i also like to see more then 1 episode a week of a series like i sad and go back to the season when it's over.

altough my taste is like highly obscure anyway i watch/read stuff from all decades like the 60's and even more back just for the sake of it being old and have great interest in certain Manga artist and studio's like Tezuka/Mizuki/matsumoto Tatsuonko productions etc.
I love violent OVA's from the 80's and i'm the greatest sucker ever for classic sci-fi anime.
I love some shonen series and other's almost make me almost fall asleep.
I like stuff like Flowers of evil and redline despised by some moe fans and want more seinen stuff animated like animate all of Beserk and Gantz what the hell do i care about seeing some childeren in highschool Confused

so i suppose watching 10 or more series a season isn't for me anyway certainly not the way things are the last years.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:16 pm Reply with quote
TonyTonyChopper wrote:
I do know what you mean but i was also talking if i see a picture of cute girls i kinda know what's going to happen and i'm out.


But you don't know whats going to happen.

Thats the point.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:25 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude does have a solid point - key visuals and market blurbs are not always a good indicator of how the content will go. More and more animation studios are realising how to maximize their profit by rolling moe and bishounen character designs and archetypes into other types of shows. Say "oh, its got cute girls, so I'm not going to watch it" could lead you to miss out on something you might really enjoy.

Now, some folks will holler that this is why you need to try every show that airs, and I think that's a little ridiculous and extreme. There's only so much time in the day, after all. All I can say is, take a moment to read up about a show's premise before you dismiss it, and listen to what people are saying about it. You might find some really cool stuff you'd otherwise have never gotten to see!
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Yozakura Quartet: Hana no Uta is a good example. Yes its got lots of cute girls, and yes it has a few more pantyshots than it needs...but its also the best urban fantasy series airing right now and has hands down the best fights this season. Yes, thats including considering Kyoukai no Kanata.
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Is YQ:HnU self-contained or not? I wanted to watch the other YQ series but never got around to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:49 pm Reply with quote
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Is YQ:HnU self-contained or not? I wanted to watch the other YQ series but never got around to it.


Yes, but the Hoshi no Umi OVA takes place between episodes 8 and 9, so make sure you watch it there or episode 9 will make nooooo sense at all.
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Hey, did you know that Girls Und Panzer has zero panty shots? Zero. Sure, it has other basic fan service bits such as two bath house scenes with no real nudity, just some bare butts, there are no panty shots.

So, hmm, if that butt was covered, that would have been fan service but the nude body is art? Makes me feel better about liking High School D x D. It's not fetish fan service, it's art! Except where there's a camel toe...

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A "boob show" is one that exists solely to show off (usually badly-drawn though the virgin audience would of course be incognizant of that) boobs. Like High School DxD or Ikki Tousen.


Still, I watch D x D for its comedy and "out of control" male lead, which I can only get from this show; It makes me wonder if some people watch this stuff blind to the idea that it's a medium rather than a genre and "anime" covers everything from kid's fare to porn.

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It [Kill la Kill] isn't completely focused on boobs. The show has other redeeming qualities and the fanservice mostly comes from a few characters such as Ryūko, not nearly the whole cast.


And then there's the other side of the coin; "If I like it, it has other redeeming features and it's not just food for perverts". If you define the show by the three leads/most reoccurring characters Ryuko, Kiryuin and Mako then yes, that is fanservice from the whole cast; In fact, I think you can list their boobs as their costars.

And that's okay.

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Well, it's not like it really shows anything, so the same level of titillation isn't present in the same way as Senran Kagura, which also shows nothing, but does focus more on the jiggles and cleavage.


The Japanese are amazingly prudish in ways; Come on and admit that are some shots in Kill la Kill where you wonder "Where are the nipples?" Their conclusion: Genitals and nipples, bad, the rest of that 99% nude body, ok!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:42 pm Reply with quote
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How do you have to "dig" to find games in that list at all? I don't play military shooters or sports games, either (I'm cool with sandbox, though), and I don't have any problems finding games I like. That's a long list, and there are scores of Action, Adventure, Fighting, and Racing games.

Well it's not all types of games in those genres. I'm more into linear games than non-linear. When it comes racers, I only play a select few since most of them take the non-linear approach these days. Same goes for the action/adventure games.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:34 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:

Still, I watch D x D for its comedy and "out of control" male lead, which I can only get from this show; It makes me wonder if some people watch this stuff blind to the idea that it's a medium rather than a genre and "anime" covers everything from kid's fare to porn.


Issei made me feel like some kind of voyeuristic molester at times, I could not stand him.

I actually watched DxD. Well, the first 3 episodes of the first season, I could not continue any more than that. You know what I don't remember? Anything about the plot of those three episodes.

You know what I do remember? The fact that one of those episodes had more than one fanservice shot every minute (Yes, I kept a detailed tally, pausing at each shot to count them up. I think I still have the tallies...here we go:

Episode 1:

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Tits: 31 shots

Ass/Crotch: 21 shots

Running time: 21 minutes, 51 seconds-- or 1,311 seconds, or 21.85 minutes

Averge number of tit shots: About 1.4 shots of boobs, naked or under bras, every minute--or one shot roughly every 42 seconds

Average number of ass/crotch shots: roughly .96 shots of an ass or a crotch every minute, or one shot roughly every 62 seconds

Average number of fanservice shots: About 2 shots of boobs or ass/crotch every minute, or one shot of some kind of fanservice every 25 seconds.

Does not count OP or ED (as it isn't in this episode)


Episode two:

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Total Episode Length: 20 minutes, 45 seconds, or 1245 seconds

Boobs: 19 shots

Ass/Crotch: 13 shots

Ratio of T/A: 1.46 boob shots for every ass/crotch shot

Total Money Shots: 32

Time to first boob shot: 8 seconds

Time to first ass/crotch shot: 1 minute 11 seconds--77 seconds

Average number of boob shots: .915 boob shots every minute--one boob shot every 65 seconds

Average number of ass/crotch shots: .626 every minute, one every 95 seconds

Total average of fanservice shots: 1.54 every minute, one every 39 seconds

Final Analysis: Compared to episode one, episode 2 has only 61% the amount of boob shots, 61% the amount of ass/crotch shots, and 70% the amount of fanservice shots in general.


Doing these tallies was the only way of keeping my sanity throughout these episodes. I stopped because...it's not worth it.

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And then there's the other side of the coin; "If I like it, it has other redeeming features and it's not just food for perverts". If you define the show by the three leads/most reoccurring characters Ryuko, Kiryuin and Mako then yes, that is fanservice from the whole cast; In fact, I think you can list their boobs as their costars.

And that's okay.


That's not what I meant. I meant that KlK was not created to show off girls' bodies. That it does is irrelevant, what matters is that it's an action show that merely happens to have fanservice, not one designed from the ground-up to showcase ass and tits.

Also, there's a lot of Fujoshi-bait in this supposed fanservice show. Sanageyama, Inumuta, and Iori are all pretty hot (and hell, even Gamagoori though he's more Bara). And there's a lot of yaoi/gay fanart, nearly every KLK thread in /a/ has a bunch of it, and /y/ has a KLK thread as we speak!

Japan, I'm expecting some IorixInumuta doujins, dammit.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:51 pm Reply with quote
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Hey, did you know that Girls Und Panzer has zero panty shots? Zero. Sure, it has other basic fan service bits such as two bath house scenes with no real nudity, just some bare butts, there are no panty shots.


Didn't say it had no fanservice, did I? And compared to even something like, say, Upotte!! or Stella C3-bu, the fanservice that is there is remarkably subdued. The point I was trying to make is to say that the individual who sent the second question in very obviously did not watch Girls und Panzer. Anyone who did wouldn't call it a "panty-shot series" because there are no pantyshots in it. My point is that what he said was idiotic, and that those people who just cut down shows they don't like should at the very least know enough about those shows to not look like an idiot because they got it wrong.
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There's a difference between being discerning and being closed minded. If you are rejecting 85% of show purely based on their key visual, then you are assuredly missing out on shows you would like.

Additionally, if you preemptively dismiss all but 15% of shows, turning around and complaining about how oppressed you are by the lack of choices just comes across as petty whining.

YOUR tastes are not special enough to be granted any sort of special accommodation.

Point taken, though to be fair I don't use key visuals as my single deciding factor, though I do take them into account, it's not so much the "oh no, all these characters look very moe, so I'm staying far away from this one" type of thing but more like "oh, the cast picture for this anime shows all girls, all guys, all girls and one guy, or all guys and one girl" that allows me to infer things on the fly about certain show so I'll know right away "oh it's BL" or "oh it's a harem series." If the girls are wearing skimpy outfits in the promo picture I can infer that it likely contains fanservice, similarly if the women characters have a disproportionate bust size. But like I said I don't only use the visuals as a guide, I'll also read the series description and I'm more than willing to give a show a chance if the visuals give me pause but the series description interested me. And despite the fact that it is pretty hard for me to find something of interest to watch every season I'm less the type to outwardly rage about it and more the type to be inwardly disappointed about it.
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Zalis116 wrote:
My theory is that many Type A fans are too busy being picky and over-critical, seizing on any flaw or imperfection as an excuse to not buy a series, thereby making themselves look discerning and elite. Type B fans, for all their supposed intellectual and personal failings, are more forgiving and more willing to buy what they love, so Type B continues to dominate.

*"Type B" also includes non-prurient otaku-oriented anime like K-On, Hidamari Sketch, etc.


I think Type A fans just don't really care about anime enough to spend the money (its like 350-400 dollars for a 12-13 episode series), while the Type B fans are far more hardcore about their hobby and willing to pay it. Its really tough for people to be able to stomach those kinds of prices unless anime is basically their entire life, and Type A fans to me seem more like "Normal" people who happen to watch anime and enjoy other types of entertainment as well.


Well.... Its been a very very long time since I saw an anime that was anywhere near $350. The most expensive series I've bought so far was Higurashi, which I imported from Australia and it was still under $200 for both seasons. Most series tend to be between $30-$100 these days.
As far as "Type A" fans caring about anime less than "Type B". I have to once again take issue. In my experience it is the exact opposite. I know a lot of people who are fans of Naruto, One Piece and Bleach, but couldn't care less about the rest of the medium and mostly watch dumb Hollywood comedies outside of those. Then there are a couple of my best friends and myself who watch 2-3 series per week and tend to steer more toward psychological and complex shows. The three of us rarely watch anything that isn't anime and we are for more involved in the medium than your average "otaku". Furthermore, whenever I go to an anime club or convention it is the "Type A" fans that seem to be most prevalent. Maybe its just where I hang out, but the casual fans seem to be the shonen watchers and the avid fans seem to be the seinen.
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