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whiskeyii wrote:

DmonHiro wrote: There is, and has never been a moe genre. Maybe not a genre in terms of "seinen, shoujo", etc. but couldn't you definitively cherry pick particular slice of life/comedy shows as being "shows deliberately designed to evoke feelings of moe"? That seems to me to be just as sound as "shows designed specifically for titillation", which works just fine for hentai and ecchi.

Go to Crunchyroll, click on shows, then click on genres, and you will not find moe listed because it is not a genre but a feeling. It's hard to cherry pick particular shows as moe because, again, what one person finds moe another person does not. Even if the anime production staff was trying to evoke the moe feeling from the audience in the anime, that would not make the anime itself moe.

Alright, wrong choice of words. But you get the gist of it. Shounen = action, shoujo = rom-com, typically.

[quote="whiskeyii"Alright, wrong choice of words. But you get the gist of it. Shounen = action, shoujo = rom-com, typically.

Right, but the thing is, in moe shows, those girls are emotionally helpless.

whiskeyii wrote:

DmonHiro wrote: There is, and has never been a moe genre. Maybe not a genre in terms of "seinen, shoujo", etc. but couldn't you definitively cherry pick particular slice of life/comedy shows as being "shows deliberately designed to evoke feelings of moe"? That seems to me to be just as sound as "shows designed specifically for titillation", which works just fine for hentai and ecchi.

Go to Crunchyroll, click on shows, then click on genres, and you will not find moe listed because it is not a genre but a feeling. It's hard to cherry pick particular shows as moe because, again, what one person finds moe another person does not. Even if the anime production staff was trying to evoke the moe feeling from the audience in the anime, that would not make the anime itself moe.

Another example of goalpost moving. Refer to my last post replying to you, please.

So, according to you, even the most adorably pouting, wobbly-eyed upward glancing, trying it's damnedest to be the most freaking adorable thing ever kind of show fails to be moe if the viewer themselves does not experience a moe feeling?

My point is, if you can design and categorize shows around the kind of content and/or reaction they are intended to produce, why can't intentionally-moe shows be lumped into that kind of category.

ProjectLEAF wrote:

Another example of goalpost moving. Refer to my last post replying to you, please.

I did. You didn't answer the question. It's a yes or no question. It should be simple. Do you not want to be entertained by anime you consider superior. There are two possible answers:
1. Yes, I do.
2. No, I don't.

You may add a ", but...." after each one, if you feel like excusing your answer.

What you're asking is irrelevant, or a simple method of you moving the goalpost to better suit your own point. I won't be arguing it. Everything you need to know about my stance is stated in that post. I don't mention "superiority" at all so I see no point in arguing it now.

whiskeyii wrote:

My point is, if you can design and categorize shows around the kind of content and/or reaction they are intended to produce, why can't intentionally-moe shows be lumped into that kind of category.

Because moe isn't a type of story. You can say "I'm going to write a comedy", and people will know you want to write something funny. If you said "I'm going to write an action tale", people will know you want to write something with lots of battles and conflict. If you tell someone, anyone "I'm going to write a moe story", their first reaction is going to be "What do you mean?"

I'm not saying moe is a type of story. It's a descriptor. Just like how you can have, say, a "black" comedy. It's still a comedy, it's just dark. You can have a comedy, and make it "moe".

If you don't know what is generally considered moe at this point then you're not equipped to even debate the issue.

Though I widly disagree based upon knowing human limits yet, and female Olympics, even though their athletics are oppress and marginalized, have beaten world records of men not many years earlier.

whiskeyii wrote:

I'm not saying moe is a type of story. It's a descriptor. Just like how you can have, say, a "black" comedy. It's still a comedy, it's just dark. You can have a comedy, and make it "moe".

And that's exactly it. "black comedy" isn't really a genre either.
The eleven original genres are comedy, drama, epic, erotic, nonsense, lyric, mythopoeia, romance, satire, tragedy and tragicomedy.

A black comedy would be tragicomedy. Hentai would be erotic.