Forum - View topic
Answerman - Overindulgence


Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

Note: this is the discussion thread for this article

Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
darkchibi07



Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 3770

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:19 am Reply with quote
If you ask me, I think sport series that lends itself to "easy fanservice" like swimming is one of the keys to get the audience attention. Laughing

I still lament at the absolute dearth of all-girl sport series considering they could take the easy road like Free and make it about swimming as well or even do other ones like gymnastics, diving, or cheerleading (just don't follow that same icky path as that wrestling one a few seasons ago).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address My Anime My Manga
RestLessone



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Posts: 945
Location: New York

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:29 am Reply with quote
I just finished Free! yesterday. What I would give for a nice BR release here...I've grown partial to those NISA premium editions.

Problem is, a lot of people who like these shows are not into buying. Hell, they might not have even watched the legal streams. (I'm talking people who aren't region blocked, by the way.) Loud voices on the Internet don't always mean a hit. I can't blame a company for not wanting to take a chance. In any case, I bought Big Windup and plan to buy Haikyuu. Maybe--just maybe--we'll get Kuroko and Free.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mdo7



Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 3978
Location: Maryland, USA

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:43 am Reply with quote
This week's Answerman was interesting to read. The second part about sport anime tend to not do well in USA, yeah I can understand why it doesn't do well, and I do watch sport anime, I'm sorry it doesn't do well in the US.

The fourth part about food portion in Japan was very interesting and informative, I'm not sure if NHK World Radio Japan (which I listen to on a daily basis) ever brought this up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
omiya



Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Posts: 296
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:57 am Reply with quote
Snack Attack on Titan...

speaking of smaller portion sizes, even the Tim-Tam chocolate biscuits from Australia sold in Japan are smaller than the Australian product.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mikeski



Joined: 24 Sep 2009
Posts: 424
Location: Minneapolis, MN

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm Reply with quote
I think another thing working against sports anime is how American it is.

I think many anime fans are anime fans because they like the different sorts of storytelling they get there. American entertainment really doesn't produce much in the way of harem comedy, or super robots powered by manliness, or iyashikei slice-of-life, or gentle yuri romances, or shinto-flavored youkai stories, or watch-the-guy-fix-all-the-girls'-problems moe stories, or...

While sports anime, for the most part, all follow the very traditional chumps-to-champs storyline. We've got plenty of that here already, from The Bad News Bears to Rocky. We don't have to import it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mdo7



Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 3978
Location: Maryland, USA

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:06 pm Reply with quote
Mikeski wrote:
I think another thing working against sports anime is how American it is.

I think many anime fans are anime fans because they like the different sorts of storytelling they get there. American entertainment really doesn't produce much in the way of harem comedy, or super robots powered by manliness, or iyashikei slice-of-life, or gentle yuri romances, or shinto-flavored youkai stories, or watch-the-guy-fix-all-the-girls'-problems moe stories, or...

While sports anime, for the most part, all follow the very traditional chumps-to-champs storyline. We've got plenty of that here already, from The Bad News Bears to Rocky. We don't have to import it.


This I agreed, also yeah you do point out most sport genre in movie are very much the same found in anime, so no need to import it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jedi Master



Joined: 28 Nov 2008
Posts: 372

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:55 pm Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
Mikeski wrote:
We don't have to import it.[/b][/u]


This I agreed, also yeah you do point out most sport genre in movie are very much the same found in anime, so no need to import it.


But anime can moe-fy it or make up exotic sports. Girls und Panzer and Love Live are good examples of this.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mister Ryan Andrews



Joined: 28 Jan 2014
Posts: 219

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:00 pm Reply with quote
Actually a lot of sports anime have power ups and a bunch of crazy crap going on no different than your typical shonen anime which America loves. Just they use sports to fight each other than fists. All the really popular sports anime are in that vein and it's harder to actually find those more realistic ones. Free is unapologetically flamboyant and objectifying and I dunno anyone who'd call it realistic.

I don't like sports much but love sports anime because they're stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=​piXjxfUAO0c

That'd be right at home in One Piece or Naruto, man.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dtm42



Joined: 05 Feb 2008
Posts: 12496
Location: NZL

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:35 pm Reply with quote
darkchibi07 wrote:
I still lament at the absolute dearth of all-girl sport series considering they could take the easy road like Free and make it about swimming as well or even do other ones like gymnastics, diving, or cheerleading (just don't follow that same icky path as that wrestling one a few seasons ago).


There are a few, though not many. Ro-Kyu-Bu!, Saki, Taisho Baseball Girls, Aim for the Ace!, Yawara! . . . um . . . crap. I knew there weren't many but that's pretty pathetic.

Edit: added Saki.

Mister Ryan Andrews wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piXjxfUAO0c


That's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.

*makes a mental note to never watch such an awful show*


Last edited by dtm42 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime
Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor


Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 5972
Location: Wales

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:46 pm Reply with quote
Is there a paragraph missing at the start? Seems odd to start an article with "Also".

My Japanese copy of Gonzo's Brave Story movie was distributed by WB.

I've watched a Saki and Shion no Go, but the only sports anime I've even got halfway through was Bamboo Blade - and that was for the cute lead, not the sport itself.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number My Anime My Manga
Paiprince



Joined: 21 Dec 2013
Posts: 23

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:32 pm Reply with quote
Seems to me to be the case of the Western fans being somewhat fickle as usual. Sports anime don't do well yet mystery detective series, which Americans really really love, tend to do okay-ish with Detective Conan (Case Closed) being the biggest success story, having given the chance to be shown in American Airwaves via Cartoon Network. In Japan, sports anime has made its place among female otaku or the fujoshi partly for their abundance of handsome guys, moreso with Free!. A possible form of promoting these shows is to highlight the dudes more than the sport to get the middle/high school girls to wanna check them out. Not exactly the most dignified way of doing things, but hey it worked for Free!

As for portions in Japan, I think they're just about right and it's the West who has it crazy when it comes to food intake. Might be because I grew up eating in "Asian sizes," but downing all that fat and grease and still asking for seconds or thirds in America and elsewhere just doesn't sit well with me. I do know the attitude is changing now with more and more engaging in physical activities and a balanced diet, but man do some people still eat enough to feed a small village in Africa.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mdo7



Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 3978
Location: Maryland, USA

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:35 pm Reply with quote
Jedi Master wrote:
mdo7 wrote:

This I agreed, also yeah you do point out most sport genre in movie are very much the same found in anime, so no need to import it.


But anime can moe-fy it or make up exotic sports. Girls und Panzer and Love Live are good examples of this.


Except those aren't part of the sport genre, I don't think moe-fy or making a exotic sports in anime would make sport anime sell in the US, sport anime will not sell no matter what.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Utsuro no Hako



Joined: 18 May 2012
Posts: 325

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:48 pm Reply with quote
Mister Ryan Andrews wrote:
Actually a lot of sports anime have power ups and a bunch of crazy crap going on no different than your typical shonen anime which America loves. Just they use sports to fight each other than fists. All the really popular sports anime are in that vein and it's harder to actually find those more realistic ones.


They may not be as popular as KuroBas or Free (though that wasn't always true -- Touch is one of the most watched anime of all time) but they're hardly uncommon. Major, Cross Game, Big Windup, Ace of the Diamond, Hajime no Ippo, Giant Killing, Knight in the Area and the upcoming Baby Steps are all realistic series from the last few years, and Yowamushi Pedal, despite being over the top in many respects, remains within the realm of the possible.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
agila61



Joined: 22 Feb 2009
Posts: 3195
Location: NE Ohio

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:56 pm Reply with quote
Mister Ryan Andrews wrote:
Actually a lot of sports anime have power ups and a bunch of crazy crap going on no different than your typical shonen anime which America loves. Just they use sports to fight each other than fists. All the really popular sports anime are in that vein and it's harder to actually find those more realistic ones.

In the current cycling series Yowapeda, on Crunchyroll, three sprinters trading of long monologues about their special sprinting capabilities and how they developed them in the midst of the last kilometer of a spring to lead out comes to mind as something that is very much like a shonen fighting series sequence, while being quite insane if one keeps in mind how fast the last kilometer sprint to a sprint point in the middle of a road race actually goes. The dueling monologues go on for a whole show, when in reality the sprint would be over before the anime OP was done.

Utsuro no Hako wrote:
... Giant Killing, Knight in the Area ... are all realistic series from the last few years, ...

Giant Killing, to be sure, but I'd put Knight in the Area alongside Yowapeda as shonen fight anime set in a fantasy version of a sport.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
RestLessone



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Posts: 945
Location: New York

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:18 pm Reply with quote
Utsuro no Hako wrote:

They may not be as popular as KuroBas or Free (though that wasn't always true -- Touch is one of the most watched anime of all time) but they're hardly uncommon. Major, Cross Game, Big Windup, Ace of the Diamond, Hajime no Ippo, Giant Killing, Knight in the Area and the upcoming Baby Steps are all realistic series from the last few years, and Yowamushi Pedal, despite being over the top in many respects, remains within the realm of the possible.


I'd say Free could be considered realistic; it's cheesy, of course, but it's not like Inazuma. Meanwhile, KuroBas has many over the top elements, but it's not on the cusp of fantasy. I think Yowamushi Pedal is a bit closer to Eyeshield 21, which I also love.

Sports series that succeed tend to have other factors drawing people in. If we consider Girls und Panzer a sports series, it has cute girls and tanks. Martial arts and sword series also occupy a different place in peoples' minds compared to "commonplace" sports like basketball, soccer/football, baseball, and others. Series like Free, KuroBas, and Big Windup will attract female viewers, by accident, incidence, or design. However, while this audience has a loud Internet presence, I'm not sure they have enough people willing or able to pay. Not even sure what the Western male audience is like for these. It didn't work out for BW, at least. Then there are the series like Rookies (realistic baseball; not an anime but I'm randomly drawing a blank here) and Eyeshield 21 (fantasy American football). Sales and interest-wise, they don't seem to do that well. VIZ did push out all of the E21 manga, though.

Personally, I watch sports series because they are usually character-driven. I like watching friendships grow and strengthen between characters, and wonky or realistic aspects don't turn my off. Thus, sports series of all sorts appeal to me.


Last edited by RestLessone on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:09 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 1 of 6

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group