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Just-another-face
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Let's just say I was glad that Marvel characters never got Japanese voices in MvC3 and UMvC3. It would have been terrible. Just look at the idiot topics that got made back in the day: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995375-marvel-vs-capcom-3-fate-of-two-worlds/58008800 That Marvel Disk Wars nonsense also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, for a number of reasons. When I took a plane trip to Europe a couple of years ago, they had multiple language options for various movies. To name a couple of non-Marvel examples, I tried out How to Train Your Dragon and Madagascar 2 dubbed in Japanese (out of curiosity) and they were just plain awful to my ears.
Are you freaking kidding me with this post? I don't know whether to shake my head or laugh at your insane fanboy rant. Nobodies? These characters were voiced in English first by various voice actors over the years before the Japanese ever considered dubbing even one episode of any Marvel cartoon. It's like you're saying Hulk sounds better in Japanese and should never have an English voice again. O_o Last edited by Just-another-face on Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:57 am; edited 1 time in total |
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labmember001
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Unless they actually care about quality. If they'd gone with the cast from the live-action movies, sure it would be amazing. But the American voice actors they picked have never even dubbed an anime before. This isn't even close to Funimation level dubs. The Japanese dub is done by veteran superstars that actually make the series watchable. If it is the same cast for the Japanese version as previously, that is a huge deal for anyone who genuinely cares about the Marvel series, or anime in general. |
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Guile
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I make it a rule to watch everything in the original language, so I would watch this in Japanese. I am also watching Disk Wars Avengers in Japanese. I see no issue with them having Japanese voices, especially if these products are Japanese to begin with. Given the variety of voice actors who voiced these characters in various portrayals, there is not exactly a set English voice for any of these characters to begin with.
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belvadeer
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Fred Tatasciore, Kari Wahlgren, Matthew Mercer, JB Blanc, Grant George and Kyle Hebert have never done dubbed anime work before? That is highly incorrect. Last edited by belvadeer on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Araki
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If the characters were voiced by Downey Jr, Scarlett Johansson, etc...then, sure. But international anime viewers would never take unknown english voice actors over the likes of Miyuki Sawashiro and Keiji Fujiwara, i assure you that.
...again, those "various" english voice actors mean absolutely nothing to non-American fans that grew up watching cartoons with their own dubs around the world. Say what you want, your precious voice actors are a bunch of nobodies to us. I mean, how do you feel about brazillian or spanish voice actors? You know what i mean now? You're biased to talk about this, since you're obviously American. It's just likely that anime fans who are not American, if need to select between well known Japanese voice actors and unknown voice actors, they will go with the former. There's nothing fanboyish about that, it's just natural. There's no reason to be different. By the way, by your logic, then anime should never get any kind of foreign dubbing, since they are Japanese characters and should speak Japanese only. Right? That's ridiculous. |
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Just-another-face
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Wrong, that's not what I'm saying at all. But I imagine that would make you happy, since by your logic, English voice actors are just nobodies to you. Last edited by Just-another-face on Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:12 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Key
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Uh, no. No, it's not. I was a Marvel fan long before I was an anime fan, and I don't give a rat's ass about the Japanese dub on this one. In fact, I don't like hearing any of the Marvel characters who aren't actually Japanese voiced in Japanese and would only watch these Marvel Madhouse titles subbed if I had no choice about it. I only put the "lack of translated Japanese credits" down as a negative in this review because uncredited voice roles - whether in English or Japanese - annoy me. And I'm pretty sure I am far from alone on this. (And the Japanese credits are now in the Encyclopedia entry, BTW, as I arranged to have Emperor Brandon translate them.) |
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Rahxephon91
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I don't know if the English VO isn't quality, but I don't see how it automatically isn't.
I assure you, you are pretty wrong on this. Last edited by Rahxephon91 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:45 am; edited 1 time in total |
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enurtsol
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I'm not sure there's an original language for this direct-to-video. I think the March 25, 2014 date was a global release. |
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Guile
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That is true I suppose, these types of projects are hard to pin down. I generally view co-productions on a case by case basis. Disk Wars, for example, is clearly more anime than other co-productions. It has an actual opening animation and premiered in Japan first, where as another co-production, such as Monsuno, did not have Japanese opening animation and premiered in America first. The Japanese opening was just a clip show, sadly. With co-productions it seems to vary just how much creative control is in each side's hands for each project and you have to feel it out. Some are more cartoon and some are more anime. |
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Araki
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It seems you don't understand. People from countries who don't speak English grew up watching Marvel characters speaking their own idioms, their own dubs. Unlike you, we never heard these characters speaking English before the live action movies. So between well-known Japanese voice actors (who we're used to) and American actors that we've never heard of, why the hell should we go with the latter? Like i said, if listening to Marvel characters speaking Japanese is so absurd, then i guess Japanese anime characters speaking English or any other language is just as wrong. That's EXACTLY your logic, i'm just reversing it. And both are ridiculous. I think it's very presumptuous to assume the whole world should have some sort of attachment to the English voices. It's ignoring the whole picture.
No, i'm pretty sure i'm not. See, the problem is that you're talking about American anime fans, and i'm not. Any people from the US or another english-speaking country will be biased about this. The thing is, i don't know one single person in my country that would watch anime in English. In our dub? Sure, but not in English. If this was a cartoon, then that would be a different deal. I don't watch this in English, the same way i wouldn't watch The Simpsons or a Pixar movie in Japanese. |
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belvadeer
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The guy is wrong. I mean, seriously, Fred's the current voice of Hulk and a lot of folks agree that he has been the most definitive voice for the Jade Giant in many years. Fred's also done minor voice work in some anime and anime-style games like Jeanne D'Arc, so he's not a total newbie at it or anything. |
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Guile
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I believe his point was that those people would only be relevant to Americans. I am not American so I can not say I have heard of him.
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belvadeer
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That's the problem though. Even if one has never heard of them, it pays to do a little research on the subject. Saying "those actors have never done voice work in anime before" clearly shows ignorance on the person's part. I understand that if the person isn't English voice savvy, they wouldn't know, but uninformed blanket statements like that are what cause these sub/dub wars in the first place. Besides, ANN has links to the actors and their various roles in anime and games. A simple link clink tells it all. |
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Rahxephon91
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I'm not saying non-English speakers would listen to English primarily. I'm saying if they could they'd probably want to listen in thier own language, before even Japanese. Will this have a French dub? A German dub? No, it will probably default to English in most regions and that's what people will keep it at. Plus, this is seen as an American property as well. But most of it's sales will probably come from English speaking nations where the people buying it don't give a crap about Japanese anyway. So you're 99% non-American thing is still pretty wrong.
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