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Sailor S
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Yay, Wild Arms! I too wish it was more about Wild Arms and not 8 pages of the same people trying to define what is or is not sexism, but having pissing matches is what those people enjoy more than anything, so I guess Wild Arms will have to wait for another day. Maybe if all the characters in Wild Arms started wearing high heels... |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Move the goalposts around! That'll throw 'em off your scent! |
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Paul Soth
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Shenl742
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Cripes, is this guy TitanXL, returning to haunt us?
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Rahxephon91
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2nd, fictional characters go through arcs and it's bad to make them go through the same arcs again. You don't have a character get over a girl as his major arc/character development and then do it again. It's just bad writing. She's already dealt with Ripley. It really makes no sense to show her being scared of something she's already overcome. If they want to make a point of showing that Samus still has fear then it really should be of something we haven't seen before.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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don't forget about the animals she saved on zebes right before the planet explode onto her ship. As payback the said same animals being kept at the space colony in fusion saved her life by controlling the ship so the omega metriod wouldn't destroy it. I know not many have ever payed attention to this before but it does speak a bit about her character and shows that samus is a kind, caring person. |
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Mister Ryan Andrews
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And you chose to focus on that rather than the PTSD part.
You really should read that article. Not sure why the link doesn't work but just google the title and it'll pop up. Both of them express their disgust at comments like yours who try to rationalize mental disorders as 'bad writing' or 'got over it'. They also discuss it in-universe. About being haunted by a murderer they thought they originally killed coming back suddenly. Sorry, but I'm siding with the psychologists and war veterans on this one. You can not care what they say if you want but let's not use the phrase bad writing on something like this.
When exactly did it ever not affect her? Ridley killing her biological family: It affected her Ridley killing her adopted family: It affected her Mother Brain killing her baby: It affected her Her CO Sacrificing Himself: It affected her |
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Rahxephon91
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First of all. You gotta be careful when say crap like this, because you very well don't know who the hell you're talking to. 2nd of all. Jesus, the spinning. No one's rationalizing anything. Except you actually. I'm saying that nowhere in the actual games has the storytelling been good enough to actually handle these topics in a serious matter. No one is hand waving PTSD or actual mental issues. Nowhere has any Metriod game deployed this characterization with such skill as to make me think it's actually trying to use these topics well. PTSD and actual mental issues pop up in shallow ways such as in metriod Other M where she shows no signs of suffering from this until she of course does. It is in fact terrible writing, because you actually have to make a character with PTSD, not just shove it in one scene for shock and then drop it. Which is what Metriod Other M does. It is bad writing. How about you tell us how it isn't instead of some lame attempt to seem self righteous. How about you stop attempting(as you did with "why are you guys attempting to trash a PTSD character") the position the people you are disagreeing with as the bad guys?
This is good writing? This is a good use of PTSD? Please, tell us in your words.
In the actual games, Samus does not really freak out like she does in Other M. Yes of course she freaked out when her parents died. She wasn't yet the Samus we know. She wasn't the character who faced down Ridley. Duh. No she does not get emotional like she does in Other M. You seem to not understand what stoic means. It doesn't mean silent or unemotional. Last edited by Rahxephon91 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:41 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Chagen46
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At this point the goalposts are in another country. |
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Rahxephon91
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Ryan Andrews.
You want us to take Other M's use of PTSD seriously. You want us to believe that Samus is going through a realistic version of it. This is in the same series where you also want us to know that it rewards you with fanserivce shots of the character's ass. Do you not see the problem here? You're proof is an article where the people interviewed are basically asked without context "is this a good depiction of PTSD". They aren't people who are storytellers and there are no questions about actual storytelling. These people also don't seem to have much history with the series. So there is'nt much talk about how the series' story has handled the character or even the issue itself. It's like using an article where someone says yeah "Call of Duty Ghost's use of weapons is realistic" and then using that to prove that CoD is a realistic take on war. Maybe the guns do in fact look and behave like real guns. That dosen't make CoD a realistic take on war. It dosen't say much about CoD other then they imitated something. Last edited by Rahxephon91 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:19 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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AnimenexuS
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Can't resist GOAL!!!
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AiddonValentine
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Admittedly that should be the defense for most things: "screw you, rocket heels." |
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ATastySub
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Where's our soccer (or better yet hockey) anime where the goalkeeper magically changes where the posts are anytime someone shoots? That'd be a lot more entertaining than watching a person I disagree with politically do it.
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|comicchaser|
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Yeah no… I don't own the Famicom game, so I can't check that one but I do own the japanese version of Super Metroid and on the first few pages of the manual's story overview, it clearly says bounty hunter (in fact they use both the english and the japanese term for it). Same goes for the manuals of all Metroid games after SuperM. She is also somtimes called „space warrior“ or "space hunter" (which is also used in other english manuals) but that's it. Don't know where you got the idea from that it's a mistranslation. It's not. There's also a sub-entry for that term on the japanese Metroid Wiki page btw. where the occupation is described as being close to that of a mercenary.
Could you link that one? I only know the japanese SuperMetroid cm (which is the same as the one at the end of the linked promo video) with the scientists at the beginning, in which Samus herself doesn't say a single word. The only thing one can produce as evidence for official characterization of Samus pre-Other M is the promotion video you've linked. Besides that, it seems there wasn't anything of that sort, even in Japan, so it's a kind of shaky claim that she was promoted differently there. Especially looking at the relevance and range of such promotional material during that time. Where the series really took a turn was with Fusion or rather the release of that godawful Manga from 2002, which became the basis for Samus' characterization and official backstory later, namely for Other M. Before that, as some have stated already, there never even was any official or relevant characterization and nothing that hinted on it or clearly pointed in one or the other direction. Especially not in the games themselves. And that was exactly the trick. Always has been with a lot of Nintendo characters. And what could „localization“ even have to do with it in a series, where there was hardly ever a word spoken? There's also no hint of characterization in any of the japanese manuals of the games before Other M. And the translations of both the scripts of Fusion and Other M are pretty close to the original ones. Though there are naturally slight differences in some parts, none of those change the „tone“ or how the character is being depicted. In the japanese Super Metroid manual it said, that Samus is a person shrouded in mistery and even Fusion was still pretty „subtle“ in-game with the inner monologues and due to the fact that it neither had facial expressions (with one exception), nor voice acting. Saying that the series and Samus always have been depicted as in Other M is simply nonsense. And it wasn't much different if at all in Japan. Again, it's obvious that the series took a new direction at the time of Fusion's release with the release of the Manga and it being declared as canon (and thus offering a "real" official characterization for the first time). And only later did it have a real impact on the games themselves with the release of OM, when it was finally adopdted. Same goes for the sexualization. Though it had always been there, it reached a whole different level with Fusion and later the Zero Suit. It may very well be that the director had always imagined the series and it's universe as it was eventually depicted in Other M. That doesn't change the fact though, that the series, especially the games themselves, stayed pretty neutral in their depiction until OM's release. And that's exactly why it raised so many eyebrows while most people were still pretty okay with the way Fusion handled things. Last edited by |comicchaser| on Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:35 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kikaioh
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Yeeaaaah, there's something a little twisted about trying to mix fanservice with PTSD. |
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