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jr240483
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i have to assume that you didn't read the whole review. the reviewer clearly states that its gonna show on Adult Swim. Unfortunately its gonna be the severely edited version. Either way its still a good dub, though i was under the assumption that like with Space Dandy , this series will also get a simul broadcast too. |
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Eira
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I feel like there's a danger in taking liberties like that with a show that's based on a work that's still ongoing though. Sure, the AoT anime only has one season so far, but there might very well be a continuation someday. Unless you're the original creator, you don't know how the story is going to end, what secrets will be revealed and how the characters will develop. Writers sometimes have motives for giving their characters flaws. There might be important reasons why certain characters are portrayed as unlikable or having little personality. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case in AoT, but it's always a risk when you're trying to change or “correct” the original personalities of the characters from a story that you’re not planning yourself. |
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I'm glad the review touched upon the animation changes made for home video. It's one of the reasons I am always very skeptical of people defending poor animation choices, as if going off-model was an artistic choice. This can be true too, but it rarely is (mostly true as signature style by certain people only), and you don't know until you see the home video version. I also argue the same in terms of animating on 3s and 4s almost always being due to budgetary and time constraints than actual intent.
As usual, there are a ton of revisions all throughout the show. Combing through the entire show again and fixing up all off model frames--of which there are many, but most of it subtle--as well as correcting outright mistakes, is one aspect. And the other are reworking (re-storyboarding/layout) of scenes. Here are more comparisons for the animation otaku: http://onepixeljump.com/tag/attack-on-titan-blu-ray-tv-comparisons/ sources: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-19385.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18784.html http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-18239.html some pics mirrored here: http://imgur.com/a/aXOYx |
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Cetais
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They changed "Humanity received a grim reminder" line? But that's something ALL of the fans likes.
I mean, everyones associate that with AOT; why changing it? |
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dtm42
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There almost certainly will be a continuation one day; the franchise is just too profitable not to. You do make a good point though, it is always a risk to change the characters. |
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BringBackUzume
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Way to speak for everybody, sir. 
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invalidname
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One (of many) smart things is this review is that by focusing on the adaptive script changes, it gives everyone something to talk about for the next two weeks until we can actually hear the dub.
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bs3311
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Of course he can spoiler[as a titan]. But its the morally displeasing one. Most literature from religion to greek epics, or even video games and movies give the view that humanity can overcome so much, AS HUMANS. Given that the main character. The person the audience is supposed to relate to and root for as a human. To defeat the titans and help hummanity survive as a human. Yet he goes left feild to spoiler[use a shonen power of morphing into a titan] to fight other titans when he himself has rarely killed a single titan as a human[/spoiler]. Eren is no longer a human sincere protagonist IMO since he spoiler[morphs into a titan, a being he hates with a passion.] Yet he is somehow okay with accepting that power. Did Eren as a child when looking out at the horror of the titans destroying his city during the evacuation. Think and vow with vengence on killing every single titan, spoiler[as a titan]? No, because spoiler[not only it was not mentioned or even poorly foreshadowed at the time, but that his power turns into one of the beings that he hates the most that he wants to kill. And overall, he wanted to kill them as a human with the anger of a monster. ] This concept was never mentionend nor advertised in synopsis. This was what I felt was going to be a Bug's Life rendition but with Humans with there capability to struggle yet think quickly on their feet, to outwit the titans with there brains and willpower. Sure its fine to have the cast loose sometimes ala the end of Berserk or post, but with how much its happening. It just becomes so boring that a viewer would want to take there hand in the screen to slap the characters faces around. "AIM FOR THE LEGS, TO GET THE NECK WIDE OPEN!". And how could they be so helpless on spoiler[figthing these human titan shifters yet they were able to put human/skinless titans inside the foundation of the wall?].
The Regular Teenage Orphan Boy was once a Regular Teenage Boy with a family, until a specific event happend making him a Teenaged Orhan Boy who is no longer regular. This setting is far from regular. He Gets Stronger by going trough the ropes that every human goes through unlike a shonen character with special powers to defeat Evil Monsters who killed his Family and in the process Save Humanity. No use or well made hint in Hidden Powers, yet he gets them making his training by going through the ropes that every human goes through. Sarcasticly, entirely pointless. I don't think having a manga author vent out his life with, "feelings of rage and helplessnes" of having the deal with bullies even though the logical thing to do was to go ask teacher or adult for help, to be a stroke of genius in making it darker. I was bullied alot in my life, but you don't see me writing my frustration with life but with the twist of having his bullies be an army of japanese/greek titan monster ravaging cities into a story just for the sake of what another manga auther seems to think, pornagraphic violence for the emotionally stunted Shinji Ikari's who did not know when to grow up. Kentaro Miura was just a regular college student when creating Berserk. Yet with the ideas of his characters coming from real people he was friends with, became the keystone of how all those characters became so memorable along with its story with so many themes into a grand tale. Along with inspiration from Connan and Guin Saga. Even Hideaki Anno got out of his deppresion when finishing the rest of Evangelion. And hearby giving a moral in the story with Shinji's character development. The manga author who originally wanted a red wedding type ending for his story. Is now stuck in having to make his bullies he had no time to understand with, into stereotypical monsters to becoming the evil race to destroy us all. And with the concept of spoiler[human titan shifters. If he is trying to give the audience sympathy for these titans.] Then he just blew it because his intent was to put frustartion out on his problems instead of finding help, into enemies that can be clearly defined as the antagonists. The wall concept seems more inspired for the Great Wall of China. Were any of the workers who died during construction were buried into the wall foundation.
Yes, cause leaving the audience in the dark is not always a good idea. The veiwer will think up odd possabilities to conclude what happens. And when the author pulls down the curtain. They would either: A) Have there theory wrong and conclude that this twist was genious. B) Have the same idea of whats happening yet that idea was never mentioned clearly in the story. Leaving a sense of boredom in the mystery or authors ideas since this concept is for use of emotion rather than logic. C) It would be under the viewers expectation, whom will still continue watching. But with less emotional pull. Answer A is the strongest yet weakest in this form of leaving the audience in the dark. Its just manipulation unlike Berserk or From the New World. The fanbase was already expecting Eren would come back due to the story tossing him out so early compared to Gurren Laggan. And they were expecting, I dunno. SOMETHING BADASS! Mine was for Eren actually able to rip an opening in the titans abdomin or neck. The titan would have to take a severe long time to regenerate due to not only open wounds, but also to reproduce bodily fluid due to tremendous loss. Giving Eren time to escape, since he had so much energy making the fear speech yet having the power to lift his arm while yelling. But, no. Due to me thinking like someone not wanting this show to turn into a even bigger shonen. The real thing happening is that spoiler[Eren can now turn into a titan. With still having his hairdew even though his body is constantly heating up. Everyone could suspect that would be Eren from episode 6 just by action alone and facial expression. Just like who the female titan was from facial apperance and action.] And yes. Forshadowed events can be powerful. Like Berserk, Evangelion, FMAB, From the New World, Clannad and Princess tutu. It needs to be sublte, while the event needs to stay in the persons head. While the events in the future should not overpower those foreshadowed monemts. If so, the viewer will forget the forshadowing. Then when the twist happens, the audience will assume even with the given information that was underblown by future events. The viewer will assume it masterful writing and mindblowing. When infact, it was manipulation at its finest instead of treating the viewer seriously. [EDIT: Dramatically adjusted where spoiler tags were and added some. You weren't using them consistently and were sometimes using them in ways that make the tags virtually pointless. - Key] |
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Key
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Why would you say that? I can't think of anything in AoT that couldn't air on Toonami. Heck, I'll be surprised if they don't leave the OP intact, as (like with Black Lagoon's OP, which they are airing in full) it promotes the show so well.
Few dubs warrant that much attention, though. For instance, Sword Art Online is just as high-profile a title (although I think this one will eventually prove to be an even bigger hit in the States since it has more cross-over potential) but its dub doesn't warrant anywhere near the dissection this one's got because its dub simply doesn't have many points to quibble about. EDIT: Oh, and people, be sure to use spoiler tags appropriately! Since this is a preview for something that is shortly going to be airing on Toonami, this review is more likely than most to pull in people who may not have seen the series yet, so twists beyond the scope of these five episodes should definitely be tagged. Last edited by Key on Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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jr240483
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well it is kinda obvious it will be severely edited if the episodes are exactly like the manga. the eating of humans by the titans might not be edited out, but the nude titans especially the females will be. Also it not a guarantee they will keep the Full OP / ED intact either. Sure they did it for Black Lagoon, and it might be possible, but there is also a chance it wont. so its 50/50 for the OP/ED , but the rest of the content will be edited/cut out , but how severely it will be edited when it shows on AS remains to be seen. |
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getchman
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the titan's lack genitalia, so there's nothing to edit or censor
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Barbobot
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There's 0 titan genitalia and titan breasts are just nipple-less bumps. There is no reason any of that would have to be edited. |
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hojo 360
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 and i say the op they will prob keep as {AS} and Funi i'm sure want this show to be a big hit otherwise why give it a 11:30 time slot i'm sure they know how well it did in Japan
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Shadowrun20XX
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JesuOtaku you are showing proof, literally explaining why the people who hate dubs, hate them so. Why they hate them. When it changes the story, when they change who the characters are, it sucks. Though from what dub trailers I've heard, they sound just fine. I'm real hyped to buy this series when it hits here. Its great to hear that Funi put a ton of feeling into it. Might be one of the greatest ever. We'll find out after it comes out.
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Ashen Phoenix
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My thoughts exactly, comrade. While I'm wary of dialog changes that affect the characters, I'm fairly confident that any missteps will be ironed out in the end. Regarding young!Eren's voice, I was impressed with Papenbrook's work on DRRR!! so while I can agree some adult actors voicing the younger versions of their characters can be a bad move, I'm hoping it isn't so in this case. |
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