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unitmikey
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My guess is that the reason anime based off of manga are generally good, but manga based off anime are usually worse, has to do with the amount of money it costs to make the series. It does not cost as much to make manga as it does to make anime (obviously). If the manga adaptation sucks, they can even scrap it and start over without losing too much money (that’s what they did with Haruhi).
Plus there is so much more manga than anime, so they have an easier time to only pick out (what a studio considers) is the highest quality story (also based off of some already established sales). As for the shrink-wrapping, I kind of laugh at it because Borders would always tell me to bring my dad in to buy Ikki Tousen (I mean Battle Vixens), but if it was someone that was used to seeing me at the store they would just let me buy it on my own. It came to point where they were like, “Whatever, just have your boobs.” |
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omiya
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Broadening the topic a little, I'd love to see more Japanese-released anime and live action material with Japanese subtitles.
(Similarly I see English subtitles on Japanese releases on flights to and from Japan where no English subtitled release of those movies exist). When NHK broadcast highlights of Animelo Summer Live 2013, they included subtitles, and that was the first time that I knew that some of the lyrics in Old CODEX's songs were in English. However, the DVD/blu-ray release of Animelo Summer Live 2013 and previous years included subtitles only on some backstage scenes where the audio was unclear. By contrast the DVD/blu-ray of Joe Hisaishi's 2008 concerts of the music he wrote for Hayao Miyazaki's anime included song subtitles so that the video audience could sing along. It would be a good goal for the Japanese to make Japanese subtitles standard on video releases, though it might take something like a powerful person going deaf to bring it about. |
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Meygaera
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Wasn't Angel Beats an original story for an anime? I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned. Although the manga for it did come out before the anime, the original story was created for the anime right?
I think there was a light novel too as well as a manga that were released before the anime. But I think they were more prequels or spin-offs to the main anime. |
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Melchiorgk
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Okay, here's a chance for me to be an old fogey. I used to work for Waldenbooks (part of Borders), and worked as their manga guy. I was recognized enough that Media Play, Best Buy, and various other stores in the area would know me as the Manga Guy, and ask me for help about anime and manga if I wandered in and they sold it.
The shrink-wrapped books came that way from the distributor. I always assumed it was a policy applied by the publisher, since I never saw anyone carry those items without shrinkwrap.... unless someone removed it. Top manga for shrinkwrap removal - Yu-gi-oh, the volumes with cards. Company policy was that if the data on the book said it was 18+, you had to be over 18 to buy it, same as if we carried an R-rated movie and someone tried to buy it. Considering that I had a time where a lady was shouting at me in the manga section for 15 minutes due to the nudity in Naruto (first volume, Sexy no Jutsu) before I got her out of the way and explained about different cultures and societal norms and it was good she was checking what her son was reading, well, I helped enforce the policy. I did know what was in the shrinkwrapped stuff, afterall. If some kid came up with their parent to buy it, I usually double-checked until I got familar with the customer (I could chat about nearly every series in the store, so it was usually included with the "hey, what did you think about _____ in _____. It reminded me of _____ in ______. Have you tried ______?). We actually had a regular Battle Vixen buyer that I chatted with. I remember joking with him when he turned 18 and started buying them himself. The funniest moment was when we were training three new managers (we were a training store). My boss called me into the backroom to go over manga with them, and the shrinkwrapped and yaoi items came up. I was asked, so I reached back, grabbed an opened explicit yaoi title, flipped for about 3 seconds, and handed it to the first guy. First guy: *Stare. Hands it to the second guy.* Second guy: *Stare. Hands it to the third lady.* Third lady: *Stare. Stare. Stare. Starts trying to find the beginning of the book.* How many of these are there? Me: And that's what yaoi is, and why women buy it. Yaoi normally got opened to be read in the store. The other stuff got opened to have certain pages removed and the book stuck back on the shelf. Very annoying, and I tried to curb what I could. Not as annoying as the girl who bought 5 manga during a sale, returned them a couple of days later to exchange them for other volumes (usually the next in the series), and repeated this while working through about 8 different series until we simply had to stop her exchange/return privileges due to abuse. Anyway, yeah, America. Weird. You can have the most explicit, raunchy romance novel, and no one compains (they were right across from the manga, actually). You include one picture of a boob, and things go crazy. (One of my other favorite moments: French woman in the manga section asked me why Gally's name was Alita.) |
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Blatch
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Space Dandy fits the "anime to manga" mold you mentioned quite well. The manga actually stared publishing prior to the anime by a couple of weeks, even. I don't really know anything about it, but if it's anything like the series in it's sheer creativity and imaginative spin (not to mention, collaborations from many different people in the industry), it might be worth checking out.
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Buster D
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The Japanese freeware C-Cats can be used to extract closed captions from broadcasts, then one can re-time them to match Blu-rays, and use them in MPC/VLC, or convert them to BD subs with easySUP and re-mux them so they can be watched in a normal BD player.
A lot of CC files converted to .srt or .ass are available for download on the net at places like kitsunekko, and there's also Chinese (Taiwanese?) fangroups like Kamigami that make their own Japanese captions. These often have mistakes (including simple things like using the wrong kanji for someone's name or using kanji for something that would normally be written in Japanese with katakana) since they're done by ear, though. But they can still be pretty useful for non-native speakers of Japanese, and the hard of hearing. |
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reanimator
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It makes sense when manga or comic book with nudity get shrink-wrapped. Think about it. Anyone can recognizes nudity instantly when it's presented in picture.
On the other hand, it takes awhile for a reader to recognize nudity or whatever explicit content when it's presented in wall of text consists hundreds of words. I don't think it's got to do with whole culture being prude or conservative or whatever. It's just that picture is more effective than words when it comes to communicating ideas and messages instantly. |
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#816808
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More to the point, if they can't SEE it's porn, they can pretend it's not.
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configspace
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I don't recall Naruto having any actual nudity (no nipples). The print volumes were also censored by Viz. Anyways, that was rated T (or 14+). Just curious, how did you deal with other manga that had nudity that were NOT 18+? Even Viz has now loosened up a bit in this regard. Also how did you deal with unrated movies?
It may make sense if that's their policy, but it doesn't mean the policy is rational. However, I don't think it's nudity = shrink-wrapped at book stores. At least from Melchiorgk, he seems to say they got it that way. I guess some bookstores can decide to do that. But at the Borders and BN around me, for manga without any explicit 18+ label, they are all completely open. Very few manga overall are labeled 18+ outside of DMP's yaoi. I don't think people tear shrinkwrapping off, because I see new manga come in frequently with all volumes open. The art section also has books with nudity without shrinkwrapping.
I disagree with this. There's an irrational fear of nudity in the US, or more accurately, titillation, hence the distinction between text and images. Initially youtube, Facebook, et. al. prohibited all nudity, but they relaxed their rules just a bit to only allow "artistic" non-sexual nudity at their strict discretion, or documentaries. This is an example of that fear of titillation. Yet they still ban this from virginal eyes at 17.9 years old. This relates to how lot of Americans equate female nipples to porn whether flippantly or seriously, an attitude most of the western world does not share. Google play still forbids it in their apps (but Android has the inherent ability to sideload apps and use different stores) as well as ads. Apple is crazy strict about it for their stores. Here's an old article about that: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/12/international_censorship/ |
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vanfanel
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Re: The books vs. comics thing:
Comics are a whole lot easier for parents to police than novels. Even if parents want to read the books their kids are reading, that takes a lot of time, and the kids probably have a lot more free time than they do. With comics, though, it's flip-flip-flip and you're done. And that's assuming parents even think of policing either. My parents weren't very big readers when I was in school, but I read voraciously. They were probably just glad to see their son reading, since "reading=good" is a common attitude that the culture tries to instill. Until you start reading non-assigned novels yourself, you don't really know how nasty some authors get. As for comics, my folks grew up in a period when non-CCA comics were practically unheard of. Comics (like animated films) were, by definition, kid's stuff. If my folks had objected to my reading them (they didn't), it would've been from the "You're still reading those things at your age?" perspective. |
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katscradle
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Certainly pictures are easier to consume. But, configspace is right. I had a book on Renaissance art when I was in middle school that I decided to show to a friend when we had been talking about nudity in art because of Titanic (which was a PG-13 movie). I was treated like I had some sort of dirty magazine by several people as a result. Amazon took issue with a novel a couple of years back trying to list it in the erotica section over and over because the cover featured two people nude although nothing graphic because of the way it was posed. Just looking at Yen Press's edition of Thermae Romae gives me the the idea that people still have irrational issues with nudity in the U.S. too. Still, it isn't always 18+ comics or ones with nudity that get the shrink wrap. Graphic violence or controversial religious content can easily be a reason to try and prevent casual browsing. Nor does it seem to be a wholly standardized practice since several entities can make such decisions. |
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whiskeyii
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Probably not the best example you could've used. That novel is panned on Amazon for having some serious issues with its portrayal of rape, necrophilia, and pedophilia. The apparently horrendously bad historical inaccuracies only add to its faults. With that kind of content, I could see why it would land in a more "restricted" section of Amazon. |
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TheSeventhSense
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One thing I've noticed is that Viz tends not to shrinkwrap their M rated Shojo Beat titles, such as Midnight Secretary and Happy Marriage, but they shrinkwrap M rated titles under the shonen/seinen lines.
Hypocrisy. Sex in shojo can be just as graphic as in shonen/seinen! |
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Alan45
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That's odd, I get both Midnight Secretary and Happy Marriage and both are always shrink wrapped. I guess it depends where you get them.
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TheSeventhSense
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Hmm. I've been to both Books-a-Million and Barnes and Noble who have them without shrinkwrap. Guess it depends on the city/state? |
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