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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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I thought it was obvious that I was referring to the animation when I said that, not the actual art style. And I never denied that the animation can't be fantastic sometimes, but that's not very often. It can alternate between havng beautiful, fluid movements, and then being plagued by off-model shots, reused animation, and stills. MY GOD, the stills. And unfortunately, the latter happens far more than the former. That's why I said it was inconsistent, and a lot more inconsistent than most anime out there right now. It's faaaaaaaaaar from the worst visually speaking, but it still isn't good. |
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fullmetalgirl21
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I have to agree about Eren's lines. I could understand his character, but too much of what he said just made me want to giggle.
I enjoyed the dub for the most part, but I think I prefer the sub in the end on this one. (I'd like to point out that watching the first 13 episodes in dub was the first time I experienced the show and I then finished off the rest of the series with the sub.) I think the English voice cast does a good job, but I prefer Levi's Japanese voice actor and found Eren to be a bit easier to take seriously when just reading his lines in the subs. |
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Chiibi
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I thought Amnesia had pretty visuals as far as chara designs. (and I mean hair and eyes-NOT CLOTHES for sure) The story really did have potential to be interesting but....yeah, Heroine's literal non-character killed that....and so did the cage bit. o___O
Still bought a chibi figure of Orion because I liked his design the most. 
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DuskyPredator
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Amnesia is indeed bad by most standards, and I would not call it a victim of its genre either as Kamigami has done much better. It is probably unfair to those that like it that it some of us have had fun picking on bad bits, but the entire spoiler[cage thing] makes me laugh at being so bad its good. I found it really hard that the series overall was something female audiences wanted to insert themselves into, the heroine is the largest example of what not to make a heroine like.
Also got the BD of AoT, and just a side not to people who have only seen the broadcast run, they did manage to improve a bit with extra art and less still images. It really is a cultural phenomenon. |
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tuxedocat
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Amnesia might have been a fun game to play, as you are the protagonist and can insert your own internal dialog. Unfortunately, the person who wrote the script for the anime did a terrible job, and thought that the protagonist needed no dialog whatsoever.
Was this anime supposed to sell the game? I can't see how that would happen considering the miserable portrayal of the main character and the fact that the mystery behind her situation is explained in a huge info-dump in the final episode. Brains Base did a decent job with the limited budget, but the script writer should find other employment. |
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Ortensia1980
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The only thing good about Amnesia is the animation. And I kind of liked the outfits...
It's one of the worst reverse harems that I've seen (the honour of being the absolute worst goes to Diabolik Lovers). It's just not a particularly enjoyable watch when the heroine has no absolutely no personality whatsoever. And to this day I still have no idea why Toma is the most popular character 
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leatherhead333
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I'm sorry but did I say everyone who likes the show are idiots or something? No. I simply stated my opinion on the matter you got offended for some reason. If I went out of my way to insult whoever watched it you'd be justified but since I didn't I really don't want to hear it. Yes give everyone a sick retarded sob story to justify them torturing a girl for 12 episodes straight and your free of ANY CRITICISMS! Sorry but that doesn't work. I don't enjoy seeing a dense MC get man handled just for things to end the same way it started with pretty much absouletly NOTHING changing because she has a hard case of Stockholm Syndrome. The story was pathetically executed, totally not worth the time wasted seeing everyone take a shot a Yui. The term "lovers" is HEAVILY misused because there is absouletly no love going on. You can like whatever you want just don't expect me just say ah ok these guys had tragic backstories so I shouldn't care that they are all unlikeable dicks for the entirety of the series. Giving people sad backstories is generally used to make them stronger characters after they overcome it. But these guys never did. And the only redeemable thing they did wasspoiler[ save Yui but considering that they all decided to torture her the rest of her life] I don't see the point 
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puppy1843e
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As horrible as people like to say Diabolik Lovers is, they fall to mention that Shuu and Subaru didn't even hurt her at all. (hence why they're fan favorites) spoiler[ Not to mention Ayato in More Blood does a 180 towards the end and becomes the sweetest guy ever]
Honestly, you watch a show about sadistic vampires and you expect it to be tame, come on. It's like watching SnK and expecting people not to be devoured. |
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leatherhead333
Posts: 1187 Location: Kansas |
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Yes he spoiler[saves Yui] so he can suck more of her blood. What a great guy 
The problem here is that Yui is just a helpless victim that doesn't do anything for the story or characters. She could literally be replaced by anyone and nothing would change. There is nothing special about her. She was picked at random to get their spoiler[mothers heart.] There is NO point to her being tortured. In attack on titan there IS a point to people being eaten. Character deaths drastically effect the mental state of the characters witnessing their end. You get to see what they are made of and how they deal with it. In other words it actually serves a purpose. Yeah Diabolik lovers caters to a niche audience but if you are looking at it objectively seeing if everything else besides the rape holds up does it? Not in my opinion. There are better hentai stories out there than this honestly. Heck considering the twisted nature of the characters backstories I'm surprised it wasn't one. |
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puppy1843e
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Tell me, if you were Yui and father had pretty much abandoned you on the doorstep of crazy vampires, what would you do? spoiler[ Even though Shuu offered her a way out, it's not like she had anywhere to go. ] And Yui is not helpless, if you played the games, you would know. It's especially evident in her dealings with Ayato in the first game. Not to mention the fact that she actually given a name, which already makes her better than the heroine from Amnesia. In my opinion, Yui is above ,her, the heroine from Hiiro no Kakera and Kaede from La Corda Blue Sky, but below Hino from the original La Corda, Yui from Kamigami and Ema from Brocon. I think your problem is that you're holding Diabolik Lovers to the same standard as all other anime coming out and not to the standard of otome game adaptations. It's the same as comparing a shoujo series based off a popular manga to the newest eroge adaption. Of course it's going to look a lot better in comparison. It's manufactured for an extremely niche audience and is not meant to be something with a wide appeal.
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eragon2890
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I always find it funny when people online attack amnesia/diabolik lovers, simply because the vast, vast majority of girl anime fans I know absolutely love those shows
and I really don't pre-select my friends I'm a boy and at least in this country, ask your average boy anime fans what he likes and you get harem shows and moe, as your average female fan and you get the same harem shows often, almost always moe, + usually yaoi and some reverse harem shows. the majority fangirls diabolik lovers and/or amnesia right now, lol it's a hype
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eyeresist
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Bamboo's descriptions of the fashions in Amnesia made me laugh.
However, in my experience, coming up with a series of elaborate metaphors for how bad something is tends to make an argument look weaker, not stronger. Bamboo actually did have a series of serious points to make, but years of reading "criticism" by dumb kids on the internet has given me an allergic reaction to this technique 
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Julia-the-Great
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I should feel bad that I get so much joy whenever Bamboo writes a Perishable review, but they're always the funniest.
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leatherhead333
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My problem with Yui is that she really doesn't have a reason to continue sticking around the vampire douchebags. She constantly approaches them only to get assaulted time and time again. It's like she's just ASKING to get messed with. At a certain point you'd think a human with some common sense would stop approaching them (especially in the episode where spoiler[she was almost killed]). Even when she was given a spoiler[chance to escape] she still decides to stay and then later complains about how she's sick of it all. At that point i couldn't really feel sorry for her because she completely botched spoiler[her chance to leave] which imo was moronic. I'd rather take a risky chance by leaving at the best time i could than be tortured the rest of my life. I think any rational human being would feel like that too but as i said that SS is too stronk  .
When judging anime you can't really say "oh well the game/manga made them cooler" because that doesn't change the fact the adaptation is still bad. The irregular for example has been a horrible adaption and you can bring up all the novel examples all you want of Tatsuya being an interesting character but that doesn't mean anything since in the anime he is still bland. If every reviewer started saying "Ah well the game/novel makes thing clearer so you shouldn't be so harsh on this one" that's like giving a giant excuse you could use for anything so nothing can be properly criticized. If a show does ABSOLUTELY nothing but cater to a certain audience how is it good? I get annoyed by the fanservice in Highschool DxD sometimes but the story and character development is still interesting enough to keep me watching. It's not oscar worthy but it's still a good enough attempt to offset the fanservice and keep you around. Heck even Seikon no Qwaser had a (for the most part) decent story with a couple cool fights mixed in. Basically I'd pretty much compare Diaoblik lovers to porn. It's a guilty pleasure because it gets straight to the action but if you don't have the characters or story to keep people around who you aren't catering too how does that equal being "good" in any sense of the word? No show that does that can be objectively called good imo but as long as it has the required support that doesn't COMPLETELY alienate everyone who doesn't have that particular fetish it's still much more commendable than what Diabolik Lovers has done .
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jr240483
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Which is why i prefer amnesia over that. and why in my opinion it shouldnt be perishable. is it riddled with flaws. absolutely, but its still interesting enough in at least the reverse harem genre to warrant at least a rental shelf. though the abusive men isnt one of them cause at least their not complete airheads like in some reverse harem series. And it makes things a little interesting since i haven't heard of one reverse harem series where some of the men are serious jackasses. also compared to makoto from school days, their not that bad.some of them at least. also the female protagonist may be a little irritating during the first 13 eps, but she gets a little better and manageable afterwards. Besides, at least she not like Vampire Knight's Yuki Cross whose a hell of a lot worse and only got a little better during its ending which is like only the final 6 episodes. |
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