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Stark700
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Was there a mention that the first episode might be 40+ minutes similar to the way F/Z debuted?
Anyways, I am very excited about this and Heaven's Feel adaptation. Nice to know ufotable is keeping it real. |
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Beized
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Oh stop that, the original FSN anime is fine in its own right. Frankly, its worth it for the sound track alone. Kenji Kawai working some god damn magic. |
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Spotlesseden
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yeah, UBW was the best route in my opinion. Good pick for the producer.
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Beized
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Because I'd argue that its a flawed adaption, with some genuine merit. And the central story of FSN only comes together when you have Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel. Everyone says "Play the VN", but that's 80 hours of reading, for a story that is at its most interesting after you're done and reflecting back on the whole experience. That sounds much more intimidating and repellent than watching a few seasons of anime.
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v1cious
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They're doing Unlimited Bladeworks again? So now we have two remakes, the original series, and an origin story. Fate/Stay Night is officially the Batman of anime.
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feuerwerke
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I disagree entirely. The DEEN anime is a very bad adaptation. You won't get anything re; the actual plot out of it past the Berserker fight and will only be left confused thanks to a bunch of things that they hint at that make absolutely no sense without context from the other two routes. I can say of my own experience that I came out of it being extremely confused about the bit about spoiler[Illya actually being the Grail, as the anime put it] and the way they implied that spoiler[Rin and Sakura are sisters was incredibly poorly done to the point that I wasn't even sure if they were implying that they were sisters or that they're actually the same person somehow pulled apart into two bodies via some sort of magic.] If you're going to watch the anime for clarity before watching the new upcoming one, you're not doing yourself a favor at all. Also I can't agree that because the VN is long it should be avoided. Sure, it's an 80 hour game. You can multitask while playing it, though, and it's not like that sort of length is weird for other types of video games. No one thinks twice about spending that kind of time on, say, Mass Effect. So if you already watched Fate/Zero, you're excited for the upcoming UBW anime, and you want some background on the Fate route, why not just actually play the Fate route? Besides, if you're really so worried about spending time on the VN you can always just play Fate route and then stick to the upcoming anime adaptations for the other two routes, which significantly shortens the length of the game if you do it that way. There is literally no reason to watch that adaptation. |
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Beized
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Well, the "context from the other two routes" is coming this fall, with the animation of "the other two routes". Heck, those two things you mentioned are made perfectly clear with Fate/Zero.
My point isn't that you should avoid the VN, but I can understand how someone might not want to dive into it, and from personal experience, responses seem to be SUPER MIXED. So, if you loved Fate/Zero, and you're anticipating the upcoming adaption, but you want want to know about the part of the story you're missing out on, then sure, give the VN a shot. And if you don't want to go down that rabbit hole, then the original DEEN anime is fine too. There's some weird stuff in the later half, but you'll understand when you see the new series from Ufotable this fall, and there are some good things about it, like the sound track that I mentioned before. It uses some remixes from the VN, but also original and other sourced music to great and atmospheric affect. In a vacuum, DEEN's version is C, C+ material, though more interesting with Fate/Zero under your belt. It is not this vile scourge that everyone wants to paint it as. |
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feuerwerke
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Well if you have all the time in the world to waste on bad anime, sure, fine, go for it. It's considered to be as bad as it is because it doesn't exist in a vacuum and nothing will make that possible. It's an adaptation of an absolutely incredible visual novel that comes up short in every single way besides the music. Why waste time on it? Who wants to throw their time away on 24 episodes of something totally subpar? |
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Beized
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Erm, my point is that when you don't look at it in a vacuum, take into account Fate/Zero, the UBW movie, the upcoming series, even the original VN, the show is stronger than it appears at first blush. I agree the Fate route of the VN works better on an atmospheric level (Gilgamesh is terrifying, Sabers situation is sadder, and the end of route epilogue with spoiler[Bedivere] is just...great) but it has...its own problems. Problems that I think are eventually overshadowed, but problems that can stop people from wanting to go further.
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walw6pK4Alo
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What? No, you have the DEEN TV series which covers the first route of the visual novel, you have DEEN's UBW movie which covered the second, and Fate/Zero which was a prequel to the FSN game. This is redoing the second route of the game, the one DEEN's movie didn't cover well. This isn't anywhere remotely near how many convolutions and redos American comics get. |
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EyeOfPain
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unitmikey
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Okay, I'm excited now. Usually these promo/preview things barely show anything but this was put together like... a proper trailer. I wish they would do this more. Animation looks great too. I'm ready to go.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmeow
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MY expereince with fate and the watch order
I started with fate zero when I had no idea what fate was. I fell in love with the show. I then watched the 2006 fate stay night anime, and honestly thought it was one of the worst animes I had seen in awhile. I HATED the main character. I continued watching it just because I wanted to know what happened after fate zero, so I endured. All said and done I was glad I watched it. Then I watched the unlimited blade works movie and I thoroughly enjoyed it. On its own I can see why people think its a bad movie and rushed, but honestly, if you have seen fate stay night and have an idea of the events taking place, then UBW is extremely easy to follow, and a GREAT watch. I then started playing the visual novel and wow, eveything makes sense. The visual novel is great but the main thing is that it explains everything, the 2006 anime is bad because you can't read the main character's mind. The visual novel explains what he's thinking and it honestly COMPLETELY changes your opinion of the anime. I have since rewatched fate zero, fate stay night and UBW and my final impressions are that fate zero is great, watch it in any order. Fate stay night is a shitty anime that only the dedicated of fans will be able to endure, and UBW is a very good movie if you know what is going on, dont watch it without having read/seen fate stay night. TL;dr fate zero = great fate stay night = shit but endure through it if you really, really want more fate IF AND ONLY IF you read/watched stay night UBW movie = great visual novel = REALLY GOOD but long investment |
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konqueror
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Yeah, reading must be hard sometimes...
This man talks the truth. I also watched the Fate anime back in 2009 (IIRC), and damn, what a mess, "another average-bad anime," I thought. Then I began reading how some people was saying that the VN was miles better, but didn't take it into account because "how can the VN solve that mess?" But I was wrong, after reading so many good opinions about the VN, I began reading the thing. It's a slow start, but once things get into motion, you can't stop. I ended up finishing the VN in a month, and to this day, Fate/stay night is my favorite series/franchise. Please people, avoid the 2006 anime, it'll create a bias against the series. Last edited by konqueror on Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Megiddo
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Oh wow, it's somebody who uses "dating sim" to refer to a VN non-ironically. Do you use japanimation as well? |
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