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Raoh
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 Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:43 am
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| Tempest wrote: |
| Hawkwing wrote: | |
Has the court delivered the final verdict of this case yet?
If not, then ANN should remove the image of the suspect as soon as possible. I'd say ANN should respect the integrity of both parties, what happened to the "innocent until proven guilty"?
I'm greatly dissapointed in ANN for violating basic human rights. |
I see you're from Sweden. In many parts of Europe, a suspects right to privacy outweighs the media's "freedom of speech" and the public's "right to know." In North America, particularly the USA, but also Canada, it is the other way around. Not only do journalists here have a right to disclose identifiable information about suspects, it's generally believed that they have a responsibility to do so.
It's standard practice in the United States and other countries for news outlets to post suspects' pictures. In fact, it's considered an important part of journalism because it makes it possible for the public to be aware of a potential threat from a suspect, and it also informs people with knowledge of the suspect that their knowledge may be useful to the police.
CBS - http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/03/suspect-in-dallas-triple-murder-arrested/
News9 - http://www.news9.com/story/26184884/kansas-rape-suspect-arrested-in-tulsa
CTV (Canada) - http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/sixth-suspect-arrested-after-victims-robbed-and-held-under-bridge-1.1921958
SFGate - http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2014/08/01/suspect-arrested-in-stanford-palo-alto-gropings/
bbc: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27874867
more: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=nws&q="suspect+arrested"
and more: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22suspect+arrested%22&hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=isch
That last one is very interesting. For UK news, the BBC rarely or never posts a picture of a suspect because it is not standard practice (possibly it's illegal, I don't know), but for US news they do.
The BBC is arguably the most respected news source in the world. If they can post photos of US suspects, so can we.
That said, I don't personally agree with the practice, but I haven't over-ruled our editors in regards to it.
I might one day over-rule our editors on this, but I've already forced a new policy on them in regards to photos once this week, I prefer not to meddle on a regular basis. I'd rather do it after a long discussion with them, and possibly other professional journalists whom I respect.
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This is unfortunately the case. Admittingly, I am very disappointed photos of either party were posted, in the first place. It shows a lack of decorum on ANN's part, and particularly disappoints me as a long time reader and supporter of ANN (Having picked you guys over Anime News Service as my go-to source for Anime news many years back, I am actually surprised with the lack of tact in dealing with this matter).
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Hawkwing
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:48 am
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| Tempest wrote: |
I see you're from Sweden. In many parts of Europe, a suspects right to privacy outweighs the media's "freedom of speech" and the public's "right to know." In North America, particularly the USA, but also Canada, it is the other way around. Not only do journalists here have a right to disclose identifiable information about suspects, it's generally believed that they have a responsibility to do so.
It's standard practice in the United States and other countries for news outlets to post suspects' pictures. In fact, it's considered an important part of journalism because it makes it possible for the public to be aware of a potential threat from a suspect, and it also informs people with knowledge of the suspect that their knowledge may be useful to the police.
CBS - http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/03/suspect-in-dallas-triple-murder-arrested/
News9 - http://www.news9.com/story/26184884/kansas-rape-suspect-arrested-in-tulsa
CTV (Canada) - http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/sixth-suspect-arrested-after-victims-robbed-and-held-under-bridge-1.1921958
SFGate - http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2014/08/01/suspect-arrested-in-stanford-palo-alto-gropings/
bbc: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27874867
more: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=nws&q="suspect+arrested"
and more: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22suspect+arrested%22&hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=isch
That last one is very interesting. For UK news, the BBC rarely or never posts a picture of a suspect because it is not standard practice (possibly it's illegal, I don't know), but for US news they do.
The BBC is arguably the most respected news source in the world. If they can post photos of US suspects, so can we.
That said, I don't personally agree with the practice, but I haven't over-ruled our editors in regards to it.
I might one day over-rule our editors on this, but I've already forced a new policy on them in regards to photos once this week, I prefer not to meddle on a regular basis. I'd rather do it after a long discussion with them, and possibly other professional journalists whom I respect.
-t |
ANN have no obligation to posts images of suspects just because other news sources have done so. In fact, I doubt the majority of your readers expect you to do so.
ANN is expected to deliver news regarding entertainment, not to expose suspected criminals. I certainly agree that it's reasonable to post negative news, such as this case; but I fail to see the purpose of exposing this guy.
Those who are interested in this case, will find whatever they're looking for on other sites. If your readers want to read more about this case, then I think it's more appropriate to redirect them to other sources. I hope you and your team will consider this approach in the near future.
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tygerchickchibi
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:54 am
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^They always have sources at the bottom of their articles, so....
Maybe you don't notice them.
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Hawkwing
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:22 am
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| tygerchickchibi wrote: | | ^They always have sources at the bottom of their articles, so....
Maybe you don't notice them. |
They have and I'm fully aware of that, but that's unrelated to this discussion. We're having a debate regarding the publicity of the image, not the publicity of the sources.
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Xaxtly
Joined: 16 Jul 2011
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:05 pm
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[quote="Hawkwing"]
| Tempest wrote: |
I see you're from Sweden. In many parts of Europe, a suspects right to privacy outweighs the media's "freedom of speech" and the public's "right to know." In North America, particularly the USA, but also Canada, it is the other way around. Not only do journalists here have a right to disclose identifiable information about suspects, it's generally believed that they have a responsibility to do so.
It's standard practice in the United States and other countries for news outlets to post suspects' pictures. In fact, it's considered an important part of journalism because it makes it possible for the public to be aware of a potential threat from a suspect, and it also informs people with knowledge of the suspect that their knowledge may be useful to the police.
CBS - http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/03/suspect-in-dallas-triple-murder-arrested/
News9 - http://www.news9.com/story/26184884/kansas-rape-suspect-arrested-in-tulsa
CTV (Canada) - http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/sixth-suspect-arrested-after-victims-robbed-and-held-under-bridge-1.1921958
SFGate - http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2014/08/01/suspect-arrested-in-stanford-palo-alto-gropings/
bbc: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27874867
more: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=nws&q="suspect+arrested"
and more: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22suspect+arrested%22&hl=en&gl=ca&tbm=isch
That last one is very interesting. For UK news, the BBC rarely or never posts a picture of a suspect because it is not standard practice (possibly it's illegal, I don't know), but for US news they do.
The BBC is arguably the most respected news source in the world. If they can post photos of US suspects, so can we.
That said, I don't personally agree with the practice, but I haven't over-ruled our editors in regards to it.
I might one day over-rule our editors on this, but I've already forced a new policy on them in regards to photos once this week, I prefer not to meddle on a regular basis. I'd rather do it after a long discussion with them, and possibly other professional journalists whom I respect.
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If they can do it so can we?...
Citing another outlet as a source( especially the two given) does not excuse slandering this person's image all over the front page of ANN. You may argue what happened was merely reporting what had happened but the choice to post and way to present it was in your hands. Very disappointed in the professionalism of ANN which i've looked to for all my entertainment news.. and not potential suspects before something has been set into stone. especially when its so local for many and this individual now faces the brunt of this; its especially sad because being that he goes to anime conventions and it is related to his profession, and that ANN is a known outlet for most of his anime enjoying peers who may now see him in an extremely negative light without the facts not to mention his professional career.
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tygerchickchibi
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:07 pm
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I thought that it would also apply to the images as well. 
I probably just caught this conversation but did you mean uncensored images?
Oh wait, I get it now. The photo is also gone. 
In any case, I don't know if I would call any of this 'slander,' but whatevs.
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ムギまる
Joined: 30 Jul 2014
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:09 pm
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| Kougeru wrote: | | I hope they take into account the possibility the used the drugs/alcohol of her own choice, as many teens at convention after-parties do. I'm also inclined to believe she probably did tell him she was over 20, because I've heard and overheard obviously underage girls telling people at conventions they were 21 or 22 so that people would by them drinks. No different than a high school party. So often we have victims that take zero responsibility for the choices they made when bad things happened, especially things like this that could've possibly have been avoided simply by not hanging around older people. |
TRANSLATION: IT'S HER FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!
*sigh*
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Polycell
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:25 am
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The part where she cracked her skull open is most definitely her fault. We don't know the situation under which she obtained the alcohol and/or narcotics, so we really can't say much there.
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leesahlynn
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:59 pm
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| Polycell wrote: | | I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case in the vast majority of states. |
It's not, every state has an almost completely random way of legally classifying "Statutory Rape". In California it falls under Sodomy, in Connecticut it's Sexual Assault in the 4th Degree, in Indiana it's Sexual Misconduct, in Idaho it's straight up felony Rape no matter what the circumstances are if the victim is under 18 and not married to the aggressor, etc etc etc. It's totally different in almost every state.
In some states (looking at you Idaho) an 18 year old in a sexual relationship with their 16 year old partner is legally no different than non-con rape where a 54 year old aggressor is physically holding an 8 year old victim against their will. That's why police in those states generally wont enforce the law on that 18 year old unless one of the parents steps forward to press charges (or they just REALLY feel like completely ruining someone's life that day, which does happen).
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DerekTheRed
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:14 pm
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| Polycell wrote: | | We don't know the situation under which she obtained the alcohol and/or narcotics, so we really can't say much there. |
Apparently we never will either, because today was supposed to be the day he would appear in court to hear charges against him for both the contributing to the delinquency of a minor and the sexual contact with a minor crimes that he was suspected of and that he was arrested for. His name never appeared on San Diego County's court calendar or the list of new case filings. If he did do something illegal he got away with it.
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Yoda117
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:19 am
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| DerekTheRed wrote: | | If he did do something illegal he got away with it. |
Or the case was rescheduled...
or one of a thousand other things could have occurred.
/just saying
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