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The "Whiny" Card: Valid or Not?

Chibi, meiam, I'd like to introduce you to a few terms:

Shell shock
Thousand-yard stare
Post-traumatic stress disorder

Kruszer wrote:

Also on a side note, I find it rather amusing when people complain that fictional characters aren't like real people. Fiction is escapism where a narrow field of possibilities, called reality, expands into wider infinite possibilities where impossible stuff happens daily, so I just think it's a really dumb thing to complain about.

True but you do need to make your char somewhat human...otherwise your audience would not be able to relate to him or her, thus probably wouldn't be able to get invested in their story.

And soldier are in a very different position than average main character, there one of many in a fight with often no clear motive. MC are one of the few if not the only one that can do whatever they can and the threat is very obvious to them.

Shinji was whining and crying about even going into combat.

So being forced into the cockpit of a machine you never knew existed with no training whatsoever after having your hopes of a reunion with your father dashed by the sharp knife of him all but saying he only sees you as another tool is no right to complain. Gotcha.

When the option is: "Do this, or die" yep, I don't want to watch numerous episodes of that person complaining. As meiam said, we don't need a giant robot/mecha show for that. We can just have a show about angsty high schoolers. If they're giving me a giant robot/mecha show, then I am looking for people to become more than that as they fight for life and liberty.

With that seamless logic, you shouldn't watch any anime with a death ultimatum where the characters don't become super courageous as they fight for their lives, since realism is out of the question here. Because you want a cookie cutter outcome and response regardless of circumstance. Yeah, shouldn't of even watched Evangelion to begin with.

Problem solved.

I don't want

Which is really the crux of the issue here: you don't want something, but instead of being mature enough to come out and say so, you insist that what you don't like is inherently bad. We constantly Shinji complain for the same reason we constantly hear everybody in Kill la Kill shouting: that's the kind of show it is. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Umm, that's what I've been saying this entire time.

Yoko Nakajima/Usagi - Whiny/emo character done right

The reason I mentioned the examples of Yoko Nakajima and Usagi is because they are emo/angsty characters who start off that way but rapidly begin to rise above it.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

Umm, that's what I've been saying this entire time.

No, no it isn't.

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Yoko Nakajima/Usagi - Whiny/emo character done right

Is what you posted as a "response" to the OP's point. You then clarify this statement with

Quote:

The reason I mentioned the examples of Yoko Nakajima and Usagi is because they are emo/angsty characters who start off that way but rapidly begin to rise above it.

ie, you equate your preference with being done right. You then go on to compare Eren with Shinji as if they were actually similar in any way, shape or form.

I said numerous times that some people might connect with the type that I think is poorly executed, and bless their hearts.

I agree that everyone will have their opinions - I love Shinji's character, to me I love the realism but you don't want that from your mecha pilots, not a problem, but you don't need to be so condescending to us tht do. Don't complain to Pollycell abouts opinions when you invalidate said point with condescension.

I respond to condescension with condescension, and Pollycell is a particularly significant repeat offender.

If one doesn't want to see a character crying in a fetal position for ten episodes (even though their situation is really bad).......honestly, I can't say that I blame you.....that char needs to make SOME progress....else it's just really....unpleasant and boring.

I think that's why Shinji gets a lot of hate. (for the record, I'm not a hater but Shinji's a LOT better in the three new movies and it's kind of awesome)