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ryanvamp
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Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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mangamuscle
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That is called a one trick pony, Tomino is not a visionary (which is the kind of person one hears when they speak because you know that whatever they say is relevant).
Which brings us to another topic that enrages me. The elephant in the room that so far no one has mentioned. They could get the quality voice acting they yearn for their project, but guess what? They hire new talent (because it is cheap) and expect it to perform like a seasoned professional. It is the equivalent of buying a <insert> and saying out loud it is a piece of crap because it is does not perform like a Lamborghini and on top of it think it is the cars fault. I know that unlike cars humans beings can evolve, but to expect them to do so in the course of a few weeks (instead of years) and if they do still pay them the newbie salary and if they dare ask for more money they will no doubt get ANOTHER newbie to chastise |
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Kadmos1
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While I do agree that he is an important industry figure, I wonder at what age does he consider "young" to end at. Personally, I consider that to be until 30 (This applies to me at I turn 28 on Sep. 4). Then, I consider 31-65 to be middle aged/senior and 65+ as elderly.
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gerbilx
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As someone who spent 2 months studying in Japan, it does sometimes bother me how unnatural a lot of VA work can sound. It can get extremely jarring at times. Sometimes the only roles that really sound good to me come from children. Or adults palying children, which consistently fools me.
That said, super outlandish, over the top actors like Hiroshi Kamiya can have unique and entertaining performances. Even if he's kind of the typecast Johnny Depp of Japanese VAs... |
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pajmo9
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Since you clearly know more about Tomino's career and voice acting then I do I concede defeat.
Thats a good question. I've heard people say that he said he was making Reconguista in G for children but I wonder what he considers a child. I wouldn't be surprised if it was any one under the age of 20 or 25. |
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vanfanel
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Reads headline.
Glances at post count. TOMITROLLED!! |
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penguintruth
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The original Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam are the most consistently highly praised parts of the Gundam franchise, and they were Tomino's babies. Both shows are masterpieces, so Gundam succeeded in spite of him? I don't think so. People shelled out money to see Zeta Gundam compilations decades after the show went off the air. That they were messy is besides the point. Tomino has the juice of the Gundam franchise, always has, always will. |
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danilo07
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LET'S ALL PRAISE THE MASTERMIND BEHIND BYSTON WELL SAGA!!!
Sure buddy... whatever. |
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dtm42
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Yeah, by Gundam fanboys blinded by nostalgia. No-one else thinks the early UC series are the masterpieces that you Tomino apologists claim they are. Gundam is influential, yes, but so what? Influential =/= good.
LOL, nice one. |
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penguintruth
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Really? No one? Not, for example, the entirety of Japan? Seriously, Zeta Gundam is the most popular Gundam series of all time and had the highest TV ratings. The Zeta compilation movies made money hand over fist 20 years after the show came out. Maybe you think it's overrated, but to say that "no-one else thinks the early UC series are masterpieces" is patently false and ignorant. Maybe you want to actually point out the supposed faults of the shows instead of just assuming I'm in some minority about my opinion. There is a lot of bile-inducing ignorance in this thread. Tomino is every bit the pillar of anime that Miyazaki or Oshii are. You can hate him or his work, but he's earned respect. He's forgotten more about anime than you'll ever learn. |
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Yttrbio
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And he uses that respect to publicly humiliate the people he works with. What a great guy.
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dtm42
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Ah, now we get back on-topic. He earned respect for being a one-hit wonder who accidentally stumbled upon a big thing, and then he proceeded to spend the rest of his career making crappy sequels of it and working on god-awful pet projects. Brain Powerd, anyone? Surely the finest anime of its generation?
All you're saying by using that flawed idiom is that he's forgetful. That argument isn't as strong as you think it is. Simply claiming that someone has forgotten a lot about something doesn't mean that person knows a lot about it right now. Like, if at his peak he knew 100 AIU (Anime Information Units*) but then he went senile and forgot 90 AIU, and I currently know 30 AIU, then at the moment I know three times as much about anime as he does. That is still consistent with your statement, so it's not like you can object. Even if Tomino knew a lot about anime back in the day - and judging by how poor a writer he was, I'd say that is a dubious claim - he shouldn't shift his weight around and criticise younger generations. He was very lucky to start work when anime was still fresh and new, and so it is unfair of him to make claims that anime has grown stale. I'd say the industry has just grown up and he's still stuck in the past. If anime seiyuu sound the same now - that's highly debatable - it is probably due to increased professionalism. Those same natural-sounding voices from the bygone era that he loves so much were actually embarrassingly amateurish and usually terrible. Besides, if my untrained Western ears can tell the difference between many of the newbie seiyuu voices out there and be able to accurately recognise some of them out while watching a show, then surely a native speaker would have an even easier time. Maybe he just needs a hearing aid? * Which is a hypothetical thing I just made up to describe how much someone knows about anime.[quote="penguintruth"]Really? No one?
Oh don't be silly. I didn't say no-one but you personally, I said no-one but Gundam fanboys. And LOL at your hilariously misguided belief that Zeta has been watched by everyone in Japan.
No, Zeta is not as popular (or as profitable) as recent shows. And bringing up T.V. ratings is pointless because 1): comparing the 80s when T.V. was king to now is unfair, and 2): T.V. ratings at one point in time don't say anything about enduring popularity.
Nice strawman you've built yourself. You get to keep beating up something I never even said. Again: no-one but Gundam fanboys.
I notice that you haven't said what Zeta did right and instead you just insist it is a masterpiece. So how about you go first. Besides, I've said literally dozens of time to you about in what way Zeta was bad and yet you've never listened to me before. You've given me no indication this time that would suggest that you now have an open mind. |
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penguintruth
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You have zero argument. You're moving the goal posts because you're desperate to prove Tomino is irrelevant or a one-hit wonder. Tomino has been revolutionizing anime since he came onto the scene. Acknowledge your ignorance and move on.
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Kadmos1
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penguintruth, specify where Zeta Gundam is the most popular Gundam. For the USA, I'd think it'd be Gundam Wing that has been the most pop. Gundam title.
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Rederoin
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Maybe he needs to get his ears checked.
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