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leatherhead333
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That still doesn't explain why she decided not to trust Misty who expressed nothing but genuine concern for her as well. Why did she end up trusting the maid who she knows lied to her face her entire life? Just because she showed she truly wanted to follow Ange? Ok so why is it so hard for her to TRY to express that same kind of trial for Misty? That's just blatant favoritism. Hell Ange tried to trust her friend she ran into when she returned even though it was pretty damn obvious she was afraid of her and couldn't be trusted. She trusted Hilda who not only tried to kill her but was a dick to her every waking moment. Yet she immediately trusts her just because she talks about seeing her mom? Even though that could have easily just been a lie? Let's face it Ange trusts whoever she wants based on the needs of the script. My issue is Ange didn't even TRY to coax Misty to her side. It was a stupid move because not only did she treat a friend like crap for her own selfish reasons but she simply threw away an asset that could have helped her tremendously from this point forward. Having royalty on her side would have made her life a lot easier. Even if Misty couldn't get directly involved in Ange's antics having her as backup (alongside Tusk) would allow her to have a pretty solid team for these situations. Misty did say she would do ANYTHING to help so why did Ange feel the need to kidnap her? You have a girl who wants to help you with all her might so why do that to her? I really don't care if it's in character or whatever excuse you want to make for why she did it. I don't have to like a douchebag character doing dickish things especially when she's been so inconsistent about it. |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 20
I guess that is one way to spoiler[brainwash, if pain does not work try pleasure]. The preview in saying that spoiler[previews lie and that there could not possibly be any death flags from Momoka and Tusk has me thinking that they actually are at risk]. |
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DuskyPredator
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{Edit: I edited your post for 2 reasons. First because a staff member had warned everyone about that line of discussion and to drop it. Instead you chose to come to this thread and start right back up. Secondly, Zac has made it clear to stay on topic, drop that line of arguments, and that baiting people would not be tolerated either. That includes this thread and that applies to everyone. ~ Psycho 101}
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Souther
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Don't think it's a good idea to start the whole thing again in another thread and potentially cause another fight. It's also best to be less combative when dealing with the personal and try not to disregard somebody else's experiences, even if you disagree. It's very tricky waters.
One last thing, and that's it, I won't post about this particular subject again and just concentrate on future episodes. I give the producers and writing a bit of slack because of the situations the characters are in and their lot in life (Ange and the other Norma due to their environment, Riza because she's just trying to save her people and Sylvia vents out her rage at acceptable targets). Doesn't change the fact that a lot of the female characters aren't depicted in a positive light, and the writing doesn't explore their issues much, making them less sympathetic to viewers. Neither does it help that the show tends to punish them for their actions (like Riza and Zola, spoiler[although apparently, according to a recent Q&A with the producers and cast, Zola was killed off because her voice actress had other commitments; they were going to kill her off later on with her telling Hilda to live on)] and characters with more "socially acceptable" feminine qualities are treated better (like Sala and Momoka). Personally, I see Cross Ange as similar to exploitation films and like the show enough to overlook its issues. That's my final opinion. I'll say no more. EDIT: The Q&A was fake.  So never mind about that.
{When discussing a character's death, or any other bits of info that can spoil a series, you need to use spoiler tags. I added them for you here. Just please be more mindful in the future. Thank you ~ Psycho 101} Last edited by Souther on Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:11 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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DuskyPredator
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I have really liked Ange's character, I feel like comparing her to another favourite current character, Yona from Yona of the Dawn. Both have been princesses who have lost everything and had to work their way up. Never thought until now how similar they are.
{Edited part of this post for the above stated reason in your other post. ~ Psycho 101} |
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Vaisaga
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I try to be as gender blind as possible. I see people as people first, then worry about what set of genitalia they have.
Yeah a lot of the characters have negative traits and they usually get punished for it but I never got the impression the writers were trying to say "this is because they're women!" Instead I see it as "this is bad for people in general." The cast is predominantely female so obviously most of the bad stuff will happen to women. That's just how the setting works. Let's look at Salia's situation. One could see it and think the writers are trying to say "Salia (and by extention all women) needs a man to be complete!" but that's too narrow sighted. Salia needs someone to need her, be it Jill or Embryo. Gender is irrelevant. And Salia doesn't have that need because she's a woman, she has that need because that's how Salia is as an individual. Ersha and Chris see Embryo as different things that suit their individual needs. It's not presenting some sort of blanket statement that "all women need a man to screw them." Out of what few male characters we do have, one was an opportunistic coward, one is the main villain, and one is a lovable dork. The show has been far less flattering in its portrayal of men and if I was so hung up about gender I might claim that by having the main villain be male the writers are trying to say "Men are the cause of all problems!" People are hypersensitive to these sort of things and I do understand why. But if they can set that aside for a moment they'll see that Cross Ange isn't that bad in this department. If nothing else, Ange is a good example to follow not just for women, but all people in general. She's been through some rough times but she doesn't give in and keeps on fighting. She refuses to submit and I'm sure she'll earn herself that happy ending.
Oh yeah, spoiler[one of them is definitely getting the axe.] |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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You are quite right, it's a very bad idea. So consider this the only warning being given. Zac was quite clear about how the discussion was to go in regards to this show. If anyone thinks that simply switching that discussion to this thread will be tolerated you are sorely mistaken. So I suggest everyone take Zacs advice and stay on topic of the show and avoid any and all insults, be them direct or inferred, and baiting people. |
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Souther
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Sorry about the spoilers btw, I should've tagged that.
@Vaisaga: Salia's one of my fave characters actually, she gets a ton of hate but like you said, she's just looking for love and validation of her own skills. Despite my criticisms, I like the chars in the show; most of them are just trying to make the best of their lot in life or are severely misguided. |
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HaruhiToy
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I liked Salia too and I hope she ends up on the right side of things. It would seem that after recent events Ange would speak up for her once all there rubble has settled. But having been brought up in what amounts to a labor camp without a parent she clearly is debilitated without an authority figure in her life. |
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DuskyPredator
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Just noticed my posts got removed, although I might protest that they were done before the rules Zac made, I really don't want to fight.
Since it is in the ether now, and I don't want to break rules of that thread, I want to repeat an opinion that I have found that I quite liked about this series. In lots of media we usually see that only males die in battle, and in my opinion I find that it could be a slight sexist part of media where they are treated as being on a different level. A system where it is women and children get out first in an emergency. I find that since it is a very female character heavy series it is interesting that the characters are dyeing the way they are, and not in some sick torture porn way either, which I wouldn't be able to stand. Even if ironically within the series it is because they are on different levels. I remember thinking similar about the series Blade & Soul the other season. As much as the characters appeared to be overly sexual in that series from promotional artwork (and really one character in the series in general), the story was actually surprisingly fair to the genders. The heroine in that series also went through an interesting transformation, even if it took ages and was very subtle. |
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nobahn
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You need to ask yourself exactly what it was that that you contributed to that flame war that caused Hope Chapman to simultaneously melt down and blow her top. I fully realize that you don't deserve all of the so-called "credit"; that was truly a team effort. But only you are testing the waters here to see if a defense of your actions will be tolerated. The answer is no. If you want to discuss this any further, then you may PM me. Or Psycho 101. Or Zac. But this discussion in this forum is now over. EDIT: I forgot that that you are a subscriber -- we can discuss it somewhere in the Subscriber forum. Perhaps in the "What Made You Frown" thread. |
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Yttrbio
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Episode 21:
I can sort of see why spoiler[Momoka wouldn't want to be used against Ange], but why would spoiler[Tusk kill himself to take out an enemy who respawns instantly]? Other than "this is dramatic!!!" I mean. |
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Vaisaga
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spoiler[Buy Ange more time to get away.] I'm not particularly worried. After all, spoiler[Fukuda doesn't believe explosions are fatal.] |
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Yttrbio
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It seems like spoiler[killing Embryo, if anything, would make it easier for him to follow her.]
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HaruhiToy
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That is, indeed the case. Remember the "monkey got smarter" line from Embryo. It was acknowledging that Tusk realized that he is better off spoiler[fighting Embryo to a standoff than to a kill.] However Embyo's obvious counter to that is spoiler[to kill himself.] So clearly there are only three ways to defeat Embryo: 1. Entomb him in a sarcophagus where he can't do anything particularly kill himself. 2. Find his source of power and cut if off. 3. Find his original body which he is copying and take control of that or kill it. At this point I am betting on #2, where the dragon is freed and goes back to the other dimension. Then the Light of Mana disappears and Embryo has no power anymore, particularly the ability to manipulate anyone because they can't use LoM either. The idea fits because Embryo can't seem to manipulate Norma although they are certainly vulnerable in conventional ways. I think it likely he is going to be undone by Salia and/or Ersha. Both werespoiler[ notably absent from this episode] and both have reason to see why Embryo is not after all their salvation. |
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