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Shippoyasha
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I don't get why anime boobs is a big deal at all. The thing is, even at their most extreme, they cover/censor so much of it, it's really not worth writing home about. And the way anime often does it is for cheeky schlock or for comedy. Very rarely do they do so in very serious stories, but I feel they're all worth telling depending on what the entertainment value for a show is.
I enjoy fanservicey shows alongside more contemplatives stuff like Book of Friends, Monster and Mushishi. I don't think one needs to take one out to praise another. People who enjoy a fair amount of sexual schlock aren't monsters or some freaks who need to be talked down to. Most consumers of expensive anime tends to be adults who can make their own decision about entertainment, not having a perfect stranger act the part of parents for them. Not to mention, there was a time (for decades in fact) when sexual imagery was VERY mainstream, such as Doraemon with the main girl being nude or having upskirt shots every other scene and I lost count how many times I saw Nobi (the protagonist) being FULLY NUDE, replete with his penis/testicles being shown. Ranma 1/2 had sexual content all the time, including fully nude scenes, topless scenes and it was considered so mainstream as to be called family entertainment. And there were a lot more lewd and sexual stuff like Go Nagai works and they were hailed as mainstream powerhouses of their eras. I think people think Japan is open about sexual stuff in anime, but I kind of disagree. It has regressed so far with the censorship of nudity to a point where it has bent totally backwards due to politicians' fear mongering. I don't think there is a modern anime where I have actually seen full nudity of young characters or boy characters where you get full frontal total nudity anymore. Even in artsy, serious shows, nudity is often strategically censored to an absurd degree. The whole modern cliche of anime characters going into a hot spring with towels wrapped around their bodies (which is not kosher in the real world. You can get yelled at if you did that), while in older anime, characters were totally nude for all to see, genitalia and all, young or old characters alike. I honestly miss the older, more free wheeling days of anime where stuff weren't so overtly censored. Not to mention these days, censoring blood is a thing as well. Both violence/sexuality wise, anime was a lot freer decades ago. Though I would argue sexual content is a lot more stylized with more varying artstyle showing off sexual designs without actual nudity or strategically covered up nudity. Stuff like censorship woes aside, I still love the sexual cavalier imagery of anime. Even at that, truly fanservice-haven anime are a very small minority compared to most anime that doesn't really feature the fanservice much, if at all. |
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JonLa
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It's a big deal because my wife will ask me why I'm watching such sexist rubbish... Even kill la kill!
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aquadon1963
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i myself know by experience that especially among the world of christians mothers/parents …they fear their children being tempted towards sinful/immoral (according to mainstream morality standards/ and their own opinions) entertainment …
So they steer their children away from anything beyond Ghibli and Disney what seems so very perplexing to me in USA mainstream video entertainment you can't see a booby (oh my !!!!) but you can see extreme violence of almost any sort (including rape ) … and IMO having so much anime NOT DUBBED IN ENGLISH also keeps anime in more of a obscure status regardless of what genre it is ... |
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Touma
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All entertainment is service for the fans. Different fans want different kinds of service, and different shows provide different kinds of service for different fans. The kind of service that you complain about is popular because a lot of fans want it. Fortunately for me I am one of the fans who like it. Unfortunately for you you are apparently not one of the fans who like it.
It is all just a matter of personal preference and taste. Not everybody is looking for art in anime. I certainly am not. Morality is so varied that I doubt that it is possible to please everybody. Hooking people is a necessity. Shows that do not hook enough people do not survive. But different things hook different people. No show is made for everybody, but there are diferent shows for different people. Right now the shows made for you might be in the minority. That will probably change, but when that change happens will depend on how many fans want to see something different. |
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configspace
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You should make a deal with her. She can watch sexist rubbish for women, and you can watch yours 
lol, I can hear Oda saying 失礼な (shitsurei-na!) looked it up for future reference: SBS vol.67, Chapter 665, Page 182 On the same topic, I just found out about Jyuushin Gura (NSFW) from Hideyuki Kurata. Who would've expected this is from the same author of R.O.D. one of the authors of Kamichu!? (He's also writer of many mainstream anime) |
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FLCLGainax
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Some people in the mainstream may watch a Miyazaki film or Cowboy Bebop out of curiosity, but wouldn't watch most anime because of the narrative structure being "too involving" to get into.
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leafy sea dragon
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Because I thought the companies that make the works the doujinshi derives from would bring the ban hammer down. I thought that if, say, Shueisha officials wander through doujinshi conventions looking for One Piece porn, and then the TV news starts talking about how Shueisha is scouring for One Piece porn artists, people would make the mental connection that Shueisha is intending to publish official One Piece porn or something. Or that the publishers and producers would be afraid of people searching online for their works and finding pornographic doujinshi instead, and so they'd do a crackdown of anything even remotely lewd to prevent that from happening. At least, in the United States, this almost took down eSurance: Googling up the company without Safe Search on gave you pornographic images of Erin eSurance before the official company website, even after Google-boosting.
Well, that one's easy: The pedo-hunt.
Well, look in the Bible. In Leviticus and Numbers, there are a number of rules about whom you can have sex with (only your opposite-sex married partner) and how you can have sex (only in ways that can conceive a child). However, in regards to violence, you'll find that there were pretty gruesome punishments for what is now petty crime, such as robbery resulting in the cutting off of a finger. This is reflected in stories in the Bible too. Stories involving sex tend to end badly and are treated as wrong (such as the Jezebel story), and it is treated as a wondrous thing that Mary had an immaculate conception (that is, she could bear a child without having to have sex). On the other hand, stories about violence and body horror are everywhere, and they are pretty unrestrained (the entire book of Joshua, crucifixion for those who actually know how it works, what happened to Job's family, and, of course, punishments in Hell). It goes hand-in-hand that people who are devoutly Christian would be quite prudish about sexual content but would be much more open regarding violence, because this was the Bible's stance.
I don't think that's true. If you examine the most popular shows in the west--Doctor Who, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, The Big Bang Theory--they all have strong continuity, if not a serial format, and all are subject to a good amount of continuity lockout if you start watching from the middle. The American mainstream now is used enough to this level of continuity that they wouldn't be bothered by most anime's serial format. No, I think anime is still firmly stuck in the Animation Age Ghetto, and people dismiss it as being for kids, and some who know it's not may avoid talking about it out of fear of people thinking they, as adults, watch children's entertainment. Hence why they might see sexual material as being more depraved than for live action: Because this is supposed to be for kids. |
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Polycell
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To me, the thing about fanservice is that is can make recommending something more difficult; eg, Papakiki is a great story(there's a level of heartwarming in there that reminds me of the Hallmark Channel), but the fanservice does make it harder to recommend(especially since it starts the service before the story). For my own enjoyment, I honestly don't give a damn.
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Mohawk52
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leafy sea dragon
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Huh. So it looks like I was mistaken. I figured they phased her out because they didn't want to be associated with Erin eSurance smut or something. (The Gorton's Fisherman is pretty recognizable though, at least as far as I know.) That being said, I'm sure Clippy stood out because he was so annoying and thus left memorable impressions upon people. As for the publishers looking for talent amoung doujinshi artists, what I guessed was that it didn't matter--if the artist is connected to porn, especially porn based off of series the publisher has printed, it could raise a media stink. It's all too easy to connect the dots even when the line's not really there. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and recalling the Homer Badman type situations that happen in America. I'd bet there's a fundamental difference in the way Japanese companies and American companies work and that there probably IS a greater acceptance of porn artists doing more family-friendly material in Japan. I'd have thought that an artist who formerly worked on porn would be forever labeled as such, and some concerned parent may refuse to buy something from some author for that reason. Certainly, I remember in the 90's, speaking of The Simpsons, 20th-Century Fox also brought the hammer down on ALL Simpsons fanart and most fansites it could find, under the idea that Fox had a specific idea about how The Simpsons should appear to the public and that fan-material could alter it. The Simpsons Archive survived because it had no art or screenshots from the series whatsoever and presented its data in an incredibly formal way, and thus it could pass itself off as a research database. Shortly after Charles Schulz's death, a similar thing happened with Peanuts, with Newgrounds threatened with an extreme cease-and-desist order for having a Peanuts parody (the legal threat asked for Newgrounds to be taken down, all traces of Newgrounds removed, the guy who runs it to remove himself permanently from the Internet, and the destruction of all computers and data storage systems that runs Newgrounds). These companies have loosened up a lot since then, with most I'm sure aware that even if they opposed fan-material, they know they're dealing with a hydra. But still, this is the mindset big companies in the entertainment business have that I'm used to, so it's kind of hard for me to wrap my mind around a publication company scouting not only fan-artists for talent, but fan-artists who've drawn and sold porn. Last edited by leafy sea dragon on Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:54 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Fronzel
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Sounds like a personal problem. |
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Themaster20000
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I just avoid the shows that use fanservice a crutch. I don't mind it as long as it's not forced,and not the only thing a show has going for it.
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Mohawk52
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Fedora-san
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That's just a major cultural difference between the two countries, and more of a concern for American advertisers and parents, not Japanese ones. Keep in mind this is an industry which has no problem pumping out body pillows, breast/butt/crotch mousepads, and highly detailed figures with removable clothing of it's characters, including kids shows. They'll be the first ones to capitalize on sexualizing their own characters. The only thing they seem to not do is make full on hentai OVAs for their stuff. Maybe that's where they draw the line. You also see it in Japanese live-action programming. Live action kids shows like toku frequently employ gravure idols, even kids as young as their pre-teens, into their casting. You even have officially licensed gravure DVDs put out by Toei with advertisements like "If you enjoy watching him/her, being sexy, be sure to watch the Sentai/Kamen Rider they're in every Sunday morning!" Big American companies like Nickelodeon and Disney on the other hand, generally don't sexualize their cartoon characters to any degree. At least, not anymore. The days of Disney villains singing they want to murder a gypsy woman because she makes him horny are long gone and I doubt we'll ever see anything like that ever again out of the company. Live-action adult shows where anything goes, especially if they're on HBO or Cinemax, and I doubt any of the actresses who had nude photos of them leaked are going to be losing jobs, outside of perhaps their nude scene debut might be less in-demand. Though if it's a Disney/Nick star who gets their nude photos leaked they have to apologize because it sets a bad example for their younger fans. I guess that's what it comes down to in the end, protecting the children. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Companies don't bring the banhammer down on doujinshi because it's a vital part of the fandom. Amateurs turn into professionals, professionals keep up amateur releases for fun, and it constantly brings in new blood and talent every few months. Your thinking is entirely rooted in American sue-happy anti-sex mentality. Doing porn in Japan isn't a death sentence.
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