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JacobC
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Shion and Yayoi were always lovers. It was shown in both the first and very last episodes of season one, and strongly hinted through the rest of the series. Yayoi is sort of filling the hole left in her heart from the unrequited love that caused her to become an Enforcer in the first place. Shion is presumably just being Shion. She's very "anything that moves," or "this is the only way I know how to express affection because I can't communicate sincerity." So that was always an established relationship. I wouldn't say the two of them got no development, just less than some other people in the MWPSB. They're less important characters. But I think the show definitely gave them some humanity, even if they weren't the focus of the story. The rest of it sounds like a ride, though! I'll have to determine for myself in the review, but...what even did I read. |
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Kigosh
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Hmm...i missed that or my memory is in a worse state than I thought. I think I was too distracted by all those Max Weber quotes to get those hints  Well sorry for that. But as I said, it`s not the fact that they are lovers that amused me in this scene; only how they were talking to each other about Hinakawa and his background. Shion was reading his sealed file and they talked about his character, personality and so on.
You know --> Writer: "let`s develop this character by make two underdeveloped characters talk about him". I felt some irony there ^^ But the strangest was the part about the organs. I really don`t get it =/ Hope someone can explain it to me in a way that makes sense. |
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Agent355
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Yes, but they're underdeveloped characters in their underwear. No one can accuse this show of lacking fanservice! I know this show isn't as good as last season, but poking holes in the plot's "logic" just ruins the fun of watching Akane's Sexy Harem: The Dystopian Police Procedural. I'm having so much this season. I understand the plot a whole lot better, and there is plenty of juicy plot bits this episode. Granted, not all of it makes sense, and that makes it a bit less fun (organ transplants having an effect on one's psychological state? Yeah, no. I thought they were just making an analogy or something...) Then there are the harem aspects: -Akane is so obsessed with Kogami that not only does she hallucinate him in times of extreme stress (last week's showdown), but she blanks out and imagines herself talking to him in her head. I thought for a minute that maybe she had actually contacted him via the web, but that would require Ghost in the Shell levels of web-in-the-head, and they just don't have that on this show. -Ginoza is so protective of Akane. He wants her to move. He's like the older brother type, seeing as he was her senpai last season. -Sho calls her "oneechan" He's obviously the otouto. -Togane is obsessed with her. That's not a good thing, but some harems have a yandere. 
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Chipp12
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Yeah, that's actually becoming kinda ridiculous. Like if you look at his phrases this season they're mostly "Akane your Psycho-Pass go bad!" or "Akane don't overwork yourself" or something similar. 
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darkchibi07
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Man, I think I rather read the episodic reviews here than watch the episode itself to avoid tearing out my hair on the direction S2 is going. It makes me wonder how the movie will proceed since it has the original writers and whether they'll make use of anything that happens in S2 and maybe salvage it.
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0seveN
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Hm, I guess the way I interpreted the stuff about the organs was different than the way the reviewer did. I thought Saiga was saying that transplanting enough organs was enough to make Sybil think you were the other person, but your own hue still had to be clear for it to think the differences were within the margin of error. If just having the organs tricked Sybil into thinking you were clear and medication was a red herring it wouldn't make sense that bomberman and Masuda's Crime Coefficient rates spiked and then came back down after being visited by Kamui.
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justsomeaccount
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100% agree with all the critiques of this episode, the organ's stuff basically throws away the whole concept of the show and now it makes the whole "What color" pointless. Another perspective, another way of looking at things, ambiguety of personality/actions? Whatever, we already know the answer, it's just the organs of other person, nothing else! You can act crazy and that's fine because the system analyzes your organs who are who determines your Psycho-Pass! Kind of like the helms in season 1 only that those helms made sense and were the central theme of those episodes (like heavily) instead of here being just a cheap excuse to justify why this is happening.
The Sybil attitude to not doing something with inspector Sishui not only doesn't make a sense but also it feels so clearly an excuse to justify that the villains can use the dominator and cause problems during these next 4 episodes, that's the only reason it's made. It doesn't make sense the excuse "her psycho-pass is clear so it's all fine" because they could fire an inspector if they wanted for whatever reason, there's still the huuuuge designs deffect of being registered several times the same person in the program, and when Sybil said that I thought "well it looks like they want to be attacked", but then the show tries to prove us seriously that no, Kamui is the real danger, he's the real threat to the system even worse than Makishima. With that in mind and knowing that Sybil has also cheated several times in the previous season, WHY THE HELL ARE THEY NOT DOING SHIT?? I'm also tired of Akane's exaggerated sense of justice and how exaggerated is thrown in these two episodes. Akane never was a trigger-happy person but she at least would try to stop Kamui or even shooting to the boat last episode, and if he dies she wouldn't care that much (she brought manual weapons for some reason), she didn't care when the criminal in episode 2 died when he finally killed innocents, so it's not like that's a problem. The same with stopping Togane, the reason why Akane didn't want Kogami to kill Makishima was because of the deal with Sybil ("Kogami wants to kill Makishima. Capture him alive with us and Kogami can come back"). I guess the point is to show that she wants to capture him in the most legit ways and knowing that Kamui will be condemned by Sybil (unlike Makishima), but even then it's messy and poor as hell. |
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residentgrigo
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As someone who left the original series(6/10, not complex enough and style over substance in by book) in episode 16 i have a question.
How big is the difference in quality and what is the exact problem of the new show ? Is it pointless sequel syndrome(Gundam ZZ, Eureka 7 AO and so on) as anime tend to have if the series wasn´t planned form the start or something bigger ? Am i missing a trainwreck'  ' ?
A D-. WOW. I don´t want Ange on my hands but some messy cyber punk sound interesting. Where is the best entry point ? Thanks in advance and Shion and Yayoi were shallow lovers in the epilogue of part 1(i followed a picture blog). |
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Daerian
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About organs part - we don't really known for sure what is their purpose at the moment, so I wouldn't throw stones yet. There were very big amounts of custom stress-care medicine in Kamui hideout, which should be important - this could be a way Kamui helps his peers - very strong, fast acting drug combination.
In my opinion, organs are probably used for messing with person identification by system, not with "hue" or "crime coefficient" scanning. There is also possibility that organ swap is supposed to cheat "crime coefficient", but it's working on different principle - it makes scan linked to person from who organs were taken (like inspector eye do use dominator), and if that person is at the time nice and safe, it sends her low crime coefficient to system. In another words, not psycho pass in kidney, but cheating input send to system. Don't know if cloning technology in Psycho-Pass would allow such thing as cloning organs, but well, I like to speculate. This could be also a way in which Kamui is being unidentifiable by system - he could be a dead man walking, with so many body parts/organs transplanted from dead persons, that he became "dead" to system himself (speculating wildly here). However, I'm surprised that no one is talking about main absurdity of this episode - we learn that no one did even fast background check about that particular plane crash, because when they did it, they instantly found clues like one survivor named Kamui Kirito... pretty much entire team should be kicked from work for incompetence in that instant. |
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JacobC
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I noticed it and thought it was hilariously terrible as well, but decided to save it for next time because you can only cram so much dumb exposure into one review, and it looks like next week will be completely focused on this revelation. But yes, that is like Idiotic Thing #17 that happens in this episode. 
As for the "organs are just one small part of a more intricate process" thing, that's interesting...but sadly, that's not really what the show said. Psychiatrist-guy-whose-name-I-always-forget said "transplanting lots of organs is like transplanting a psycho-pass" matter-of-factly as if it was just common knowledge or common sense all on its own. That's pretty bad. The clear implication is that Kamui is a "non-person" to the system because he's full of dead organs, like you said. So that completely discounts his brain, soul, and personality, which are totally the same, and the things that the psycho-pass was firmly built on in season one. It's just crappy writing that takes a big dump all over previously established ideas and themes. |
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gedata
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Given how Kougami put a bullet in Makishima's brain last season, I don't see how that'd work out, but hey I ouldn't put it past the show at this point. |
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0seveN
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I always though a Psycho-Pass was like your general profile for Sybil, since they always specifically refer to Crime Coefficients themselves. IMO interpreting what he said to mean organs=CC makes it hard to make sense of the line he says immediately after that. Though I'm guessing this'll be a hot topic is the next episode so it should clear things up either way. |
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WatchforMoons7
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I too was weirded out by the transplant thing.
While Kamui is a total weirdo, crazier than Makishima with this organ transplant and plastic surgery complex going on, I thought the PP and cymatic scan all had to do with the "mind". Maybe difference in organs can confuse the brain somehow, say rewire physical components, and get you to think differently as your body adjust to a \ organ? Like, a difference in blood pressure? But I didn't think that would make the hue clearer. Maybe not. A kidney works as a kidney. I understand the use of drugs much more. Also, Holo. Holos from S1 had a base. It covered something else up, even a dead body. Uniforms, drones, etc. Kamui has a ton of these things running around "as other people"? With occupations? Don't recall. or are the holos the anti-sybil people Kamui drugged up? Akane needs to stop imagining Togane as Kogami. Kogami would never say that she's crazy. Aside from that, liking Sho-kun.[/spoiler] |
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Gina Szanboti
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Who was the guy at the end of the episode getting drugs?
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Calsolum
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@JesuOtaku
after watching ep 7 I heard/read what the doctor said and assumed that he meant that that if you transplant organs it makes the system see you as someone else and that if your pass is clear (via the drugs from before) the systems chalks it up to minor error. then I read your review Re-watched that scene where the doctor and that guy who got arrested a while back talked Begin infinite facepalm. I had such high expectations for this series, hell i was gonna recommend it to all my friends and brag that its so good theres a second season still airing. But i get stuck with this...this Darker Pass:The Psycho twins my apologies to those who liked the 2nd season of darker than black fingers crossed that they somehow redeem this show since they're already half way done |
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