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EP. REVIEW: Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works

kingcity20 wrote:

Now sure we'll end this debate because this has clearly become a, "only our opinions are allowed, and anyone who disagrees with our opinion could potentially be banned," type of site.

This isn't even close to what was said.

I should point out that the scene with Shinji and Mr. Golden-haired didn't occur in the VN. In fact, IIRC, there are no references at all to the worms in the Stay Night or Unlimited Blade Works paths -- they're found in the final path -- Heaven's Feel.

That said, the worms *are* found in the VN, and the issue of what happens to Sakura *does* come up in the final path, so the discussion about them isn't entirely out-of-place, particularly since ufotable decided to insert that scene in at the end, probably to help set up the character of Mr. Golden-haired and to keep Shinji and his personality in the minds of the viewers.

Add in the fact that Nasu supposedly outsourced the H-scenes so he didn't have to write them himself[..].

male power fantasy is a big part of F/SN

The seafood was a generalization, but you can't deny that the H-scenes are still flooded with awkward similes, ocean-related or not.

Not sure I agree with the power fantasy being 100% self-aware critique though. I love F/SN, and I do believe that most of the cliche shonen tropes are intentionally there for the purpose of deconstruction. But, regardless of the intent behind them, I feel they still serve the same purpose of inflating the ego of the reader vicariously, and there are plenty of moments where that effect is still relied upon to entertain us.

Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote:

I should point out that the scene with Shinji and Mr. Golden-haired didn't occur in the VN. In fact, IIRC, there are no references at all to the worms in the Stay Night or Unlimited Blade Works paths -- they're found in the final path -- Heaven's Feel. That said, the worms *are* found in the VN, and the issue of what happens to Sakura *does* come up in the final path, so the discussion about them isn't entirely out-of-place, particularly since ufotable decided to insert that scene in at the end, probably to help set up the character of Mr. Golden-haired and to keep Shinji and his personality in the minds of the viewers.

The scene with Goldie and Shinji at the matou basement does occur, I don't think the worms are mentioned at all though. it's called "Result of Utnapishtim" if you want to look it up.

kingcity20 wrote:

Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: I should point out that the scene with Shinji and Mr. Golden-haired didn't occur in the VN. In fact, IIRC, there are no references at all to the worms in the Stay Night or Unlimited Blade Works paths -- they're found in the final path -- Heaven's Feel. That said, the worms *are* found in the VN, and the issue of what happens to Sakura *does* come up in the final path, so the discussion about them isn't entirely out-of-place, particularly since ufotable decided to insert that scene in at the end, probably to help set up the character of Mr. Golden-haired and to keep Shinji and his personality in the minds of the viewers. The scene with Goldie and Shinji at the matou basement does occur, I don't think the worms are mentioned at all though. it's called "Result of Utnapishtim" if you want to look it up.

I'll be. My apologies to everyone, then, on getting that wrong. It's been several years now since I played the (original) VN. Looks like I'm going to have to be more careful in the future about making definite remarks about it. Still, I was at least correct about there not being any worms involved, so I wasn't *completely* wrong.

Seriously? Nasu did write the H-scenes? Wow, that's a depressing revelation. I had assumed they were outsourced even before I'd heard the rumours online. The drop in quality and OOC nonsense is just that bad I instantly assumed it was a different writer. Ah well, I stand corrected. The seafood was a generalization, but you can't deny that the H-scenes are still flooded with awkward similes, ocean-related or not.

BDsprite wrote:

Seriously? Nasu did write the H-scenes? Wow, that's a depressing revelation. I had assumed they were outsourced even before I'd heard the rumours online. The drop in quality and OOC nonsense is just that bad I instantly assumed it was a different writer. Ah well, I stand corrected. The seafood was a generalization, but you can't deny that the H-scenes are still flooded with awkward similes, ocean-related or not.

To be fair Nasu never wanted to do them at all, in none of the works. He was basically pressured into it because they didn't think the VN's would sell without them. I'm 90% certain Nasu halfassed them just to get them out of the way.

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http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/kanwatsukihime/10.html

There's another interview on the same site where he says that Takeuchi persuaded him to make an eroge. He agreed, because he wanted to write, and this was the way he felt he could reach an audience.

by that inteview is sounds like Takeuchi merely directed the h-scenes,not that he wrote them,plus that interview is about Tsukihime,it speaks nothing of Fate/Stay Night, maybe by the time he started writing FSN 3-4 years later he did do the scenes himself