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TV Series:

Detective Conan (TV) (aka Case Closed)

Spinoff: Detective Conan: Zero's Tea Time (TV)
Spinoff: Detective Conan: The Culprit Hanzawa (TV)

Movies:

Movie 01: The Time Bombed Skyscraper
Movie 02: The Fourteenth Target
Movie 03: The Last Wizard of the Century
Movie 04: Capture in Her Eyes
Movie 05: Countdown to Heaven

Movie 06: The Phantom of Baker Street
Movie 07: Crossroad in the Ancient Capital
Movie 08: Magician of the Silver Sky
Movie 09: Strategy Above the Depths
Movie 10: The Private Eyes' Requiem

Movie 11: Jolly Roger in the Deep Azure
Movie 12: Full Score of Fear
Special: Lupin III vs. Detective Conan (TV special)
Movie 13: The Raven Chaser
Movie 14: The Lost Ship in The Sky
Movie 15: Quarter of Silence

Movie 16: The Eleventh Striker
Movie 17: Private Eye in the Distant Sea
Special: Lupin III vs. Detective Conan: The Movie
Movie 18: Dimensional Sniper
Movie 19: Sunflowers of Inferno
Movie 20: The Darkest Nightmare

Special: Episode One: The Great Detective Turned Small
Movie 21: The Crimson Love Letter
Movie 22: Zero the Enforcer
Movie 23: The Fist of Blue Sapphire
Movie 24: The Scarlet Bullet
Compilation Movie: The Scarlet Alibi
Movie 25: The Bride of Halloween

Movie 26: Black Iron Submarine

Source: Manga (ongoing @ 102 volumes, by Gosho Aoyama)

Demographic: Shounen

Animation Studio: TMS Entertainment

Genres: adventure, comedy, drama, mystery, thriller

Themes: crime, detective, heist, police

Plot Summary: Kudo Shinichi is a seventeen year-old high school detective whom people call the "Modern Sherlock Holmes." However, one night after a date with his childhood sweetheart, Ran, Shinichi witnessed an illegal trade and, caught off his guard, was knocked unconscious and fed a drug that was supposed to kill him... but he woke up and found himself shrunken to a seven year old.

In order to track down the men who did this to him, Shinichi hid his identity and lived with Ran, whose father happened to be a hopeless detective, and with that came a series of murders and mysteries that he must solve.

Air Date & Platform:
Season 01: January 8, 1996 (Monday)
Season 02: August 19, 1996 (Friday)
Movie 01: April 19, 1997 (Saturday)
Season 03: April 21, 1997 (Monday)
Season 04: December 1, 1997 (Monday)
Movie 02: April 18, 1998 (Saturday)
Season 05: June 28, 1998 (Sunday)

Season 06: February 15, 1999 (Monday)
Movie 03: April 17, 1999 (Saturday)
Season 07: October 11, 1999 (Monday)
Movie 04: April 22, 2000 (Saturday)
Season 08: June 12, 2000 (Monday)
Season 09: December 11, 2000 (Monday)
Movie 05: April 21, 2001 (Saturday)
Season 10: October 29, 2001 (Monday)

Movie 06: April 20, 2002 (Saturday)
Season 11: July 15, 2002 (Monday)
Movie 07: April, 19, 2003 (Saturday)
Season 12: April 21, 2003 (Monday)
Season 13: March 8, 2004 (Monday)
Movie 08: April 17, 2004 (Saturday)
Season 14: February 28, 2005 (Monday)
Movie 09: April 9, 2005 (Saturday)
Season 15: January 23, 2006 (Monday)
Movie 10: April 15, 2006 (Saturday)

Season 16: February 26, 2007 (Monday)
Movie 11: April 21, 2007 (Saturday)
Season 17: January 8, 2008 (Monday)
Movie 12: April 19, 2008 (Saturday)
Season 18: March 9, 2009 (Monday)
Movie 13: April 18, 2009 (Saturday)
Season 19: February 27, 2010 (Saturday)
Movie 14: April 17, 2010 (Saturday)
Season 20: February 19, 2011 (Saturday)
Movie 15: April 16, 2011 (Saturday)

Season 21: February 18, 2012 (Saturday)
Movie 16: April 14, 2012 (Saturday)
Season 22: January 5, 2013 (Saturday)
Movie 17: April 20, 2013 (Saturday)
Season 23: November 2, 2013 (Saturday)
Lupin III vs. Detective Conan: The Movie: April 16, 2016 (Saturday)
Movie 18: April 19, 2014 (Saturday)
Season 24: May 31, 2014 (Saturday)
Movie 19: April 18, 2015 (Saturday)
Season 25: May 30, 2015 (Saturday)
Movie 20: April 16, 2016 (Saturday)

Season 26: May 21, 2016 (Saturday)
Movie 21: April 15, 2017 (Saturday)
Season 27: April 29, 2017 (Saturday)
Movie 22: April 13, 2018 (Friday)
Season 28: April 28, 2018 (Saturday)
Season 29: January 5, 2019 (Saturday)
Movie 23: April 12, 2019 (Friday)
Season 30: November 23, 2019 (Saturday)

Season 31: March 6, 2021 (Saturday) (current)
Movie 24: April 16, 2021 (Friday)
Movie 25: April 15, 2022 (Friday)
Movie 26: April 14, 2023 (Friday)

Available on: Crunchyroll

Episode Count / Runtime:
Season 01: 28 episodes
Season 02: 25 episodes
Movie 01: 94 minutes
Season 03: 27 episodes
Movie 02: 99 minutes
Season 04: 23 episodes
Season 05: 27 episodes

Season 06: 27 episodes
Movie 03: 99 minutes
Season 07: 30 episodes
Movie 04: 95 minutes
Season 08: 22 episodes
Season 09: 37 episodes
Movie 05: 95 minutes
Season 10: 30 episodes

Movie 06: 107 minutes
Season 11: 29 episodes
Movie 07: 108 minutes
Season 12: 37 episodes
Season 13: 35 episodes
Movie 08: 108 minutes
Season 14: 36 episodes
Movie 09: 109 minutes
Season 15: 38 episodes
Movie 10: 111 minutes

Season 16: 24 episodes
Movie 11: 95 minutes
Season 17: 36 episodes
Movie 12: 115 minutes
Season 18: 37 episodes
Movie 13: 111 minutes
Season 19: 39 episodes
Movie 14: 102 minutes
Season 20: 39 episodes
Movie 15: 109 minutes

Season 21: 34 episodes
Movie 16: 110 minutes
Season 22: 34 episodes
Movie 17: 101 minutes
Season 23: 23 episodes
Lupin III vs. Detective Conan: The Movie: 107 minutes
Movie 18: 110 minutes
Season 24: 38 episodes
Movie 19: 112 minutes
Season 25: 38 episodes
Movie 20: 112 minutes

Season 26: 38 episodes
Movie 21: 112 minutes
Season 27: 41 episodes
Movie 22: 110 minutes
Season 28: 27 episodes
Season 29: 32 episodes
Movie 23: 109 minutes
Season 30: 40 episodes

Season 31: 79 episodes
Movie 24: 110 minutes
Movie 25: 111 minutes
Movie 26: Pending

Current Total: 1077 episodes
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I'm taking up the impossible task of preparing a primer of the show now that Crunchyroll has started simulcasting the show as of episode 754.

Also a place to discuss series theories and comment on currently airing episodes.

Please USE SPOILERS WHEN COMMENTING ON SHOW THEORIES but please, include something outside of the spoiler text to describe what you are discussing.

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First off, know that the best resource for Information about Case Closed / Detective Conan is the Detective Conan (World) Wiki, particularly the indispensable Anime episode guide pages.

The top list notes which episodes are based on the manga source and which are "TV originals" as well as icons to denote particular events such as character introductions and developments, series back story, romance developments, Kaito Kid appearances, and, most importantly for those searching for episodes dealing with the over-arching story, Black Organization involvement and appearances.

If you hit a season link further information is made available, such as a brief episode synopsis and a brief explanation of any major series event that happens in the episode, as noted by the icon on the first list.

Each episode also has its own page containing the episode cast, and a complete episode description. Including case solutions at the end.

The wiki also has character pages, linked in relevant episode pages, that cover all major developments.

In short- that's the source you need for providing missing links and reminders you may need.

So... essential episodes and the most essential events and B.O. episodes.

Multiple episodes just containing "hints" left out... most of the different love stories not included, compiled largely from this guy's page and edited according to my opinion.

1-3, 4, 5, 10, 13 (retconned in ep.128), 27, 28, 32, 34, 35, 42, 43, 48, 49, 50,
54, 57/58, 76 (enter Kid), 77/78, 96, 100/101,
112, 116-118, 128, 129-131, 146/147,
153/154, 162, 166-168, 170-171, 174, 176-178, 188-193, 199/200,
217/218, 219, 226/227, 230/231, 236/237, 246/247,
253/254, 258/259, 263, 266-268, 269-270, 271/272, 277/278, 279/280, 284/285, 286-288, 289/290,
[around this time multiple small B.O. clues dropped intermittedly leading up to #345]
301/302, 304, 307-311, 329-330, 335/336, 338/339, 340/341, 343/344, 345, 346/347,
356, 361/362, 385-387, 394-396,
400, 422, 425, 429-430, 435-436,
462-465, 472-473, 484-485, 490, 491-504,
507-508, 509-511, 516-517, 521-523, 542-543,
558-561, 563-564, 568-569, 579/580/581, 583-585, 589-590,
616-621, 624, 646-647, 648-650,
651, 656-657, 667-668, 671-674, 681-683, 684-685, 690-691, 699-700,
701-704, 705-706,, 712-715, 722-723, 727-728, 731-732, 734, 738-739, 740-741, 744-745, 746-747,
updated 11/29/2017:
754-756, 759-60, 763-64, 770-771, 779-783, 787-788, 792-793, [LOTS of anime originals]
836-837, S6: "Episode One: The Great Detective Turned Small" (an update and retelling of the Conan "origin"), 849-850, 853-854, 861-862, 863-864,
(I'll wait to include further episodes as "essential" at this point).

This opening post will be a work in progress. I'll add material as I see fit. Feel free to suggest other essential episodes or suggest some should be removed from the list.

It goes without saying, I'm a huge fan. I watched it way back when it was on Adult Swim and then later restarted it when it was in the mid-400's and slowly made my way through the series, catching up in the early 500's.

The show is well worth the effort to track down and watch everything. Yes, even the anime original episodes. They are clearly inferior to the manga sourced episodes but they can still be very good.

The movies are also a kind of silly spectacle in comparison to the canonical stories. But they can also be a ton of fun, containing outrageous and honestly insane action sequences and slightly out-of-character heroics.

...okay one criticism... for some reason the original author, Gosho Aoyama, has a horrible time creating good motives. When you watch the show you will most likely find yourself rolling your eyes at the stated motives... which also get repetitive. And sure, maybe there are only so many murder motives out there but at about the dozenth time someone kills someone because the person drove the character's loved ones out of business- resulting in their suicide or sickness and death... well... just focus on the brilliant murder tricks and try to pass over it.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:51 am Reply with quote
I don't want to respond to myself, but since I want to keep the first post as a primer and introduction, I'll make an exception in order to spark further discussion.

Might as well start off with the big question

Who do you think is the leader (Anokata/ "That Person), spoiler[Karasuma], of the Black Organization?

[edit: the epilogue scene of episode 942, in an otherwise unrelated case, reveals who he is.... or rather, who he was. It reveals the leader is a character who was involved in the backstory of a previous case or two, an eccentric wealthy person with a mysterious past. The problem with this is that it reveals little, the man, spoiler[Karasuma], has been presumed dead for decades, so his current identity is still a complete mystery.]

Apparently, in an interview, Gosho Aoyama has admitted that the leader has spoiler[been featured in the story but hasn't given many more clues about his identity... other than denying the idea that it is Dr. Agasa. Personally, I usually avoid coming up with theories like these, I figure I'll just let the story progress on its own without pushing things, but at one time something just clicked in my head and this theory came to mind.]

To my mind, the character has to be someone you don't expect,spoiler[ a background character but not too minor as to be pulled from thin air. In my opinion the perfect candidate is Dr. Tomoaki Araide (and possibly his father before him). For one, the guy is just too nice, too helpful, and too connected. Further, his back story would actually suggest a little possible darkness that he doesn't show at all. His father, another doctor, was a demanding presence and serial adulterer whose cheating drove Tomoaki's mother to suicide, (leaving a message to her friend “Please take care of Tomoaki. Don’t let him follow his dad”) and his stepmother (the friend) to kill his father in revenge. Not the usual background to produce an altruistic guy with not an apparent care in the world.]

spoiler[Then we have the period of time when he is being impersonated by Vermouth as she infiltrates the school and tries to track down Ai/Shiho/Sherry. The story is rather strangely underdeveloped. We know she was meant to have tried to eliminate him and his assistant but he instead was able to get away and instead seek protection from the FBI somehow. It seems suspicious and just as likely to me that this could have been arranged. Vermouth seems to have a close relationship with the leader and if he were the leader he could have easily arranged this with her. It would also allow him to make connections with the FBI members who are tasked with taking him down.

The only problem I can think of with that part of the story is that Vermouth is ignorant of things (details of Tomoaki's father's murder) that he should have been able supply her with but instead her ignorance of the details reveal to Conan that "he" is not who "s/he" says "he" is. ]


There is also a trivial matter about the voice cast. spoiler[Hideyuki Hori, that actor who voices Tomoaki, is the younger brother of Yukitoshi Hori, who voices the prominent Black Organization character Gin (otherwise unnamed). Remember how Tomoaki's father was a serial adulterer? Wouldn't it make sense that the characters on the show are also supposed to half brothers from different mothers? There may even be others.]

And another slightly out-there theory... spoiler[A huge part of the Black Organization story is that the leader is looking for a source of eternal youth, APTX 4869 being an experiment in that goal, and that Vermouth is supposed to be a couple decades younger than she seems to be. Her real identity being Sharon Vineyard, who faked her own death and reappeared as her own, previously unknown, daughter Chris Vineyard.
...Maybe Tomoaki Araide is actually Yoshiteru Araide, his father, who through similar means as Vermouth- age manipulation and expert disguise- staged his own death in order to come back as his own son!]


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First of all I will apologize for using the dub/Viz names for the characters. Those are the names that I know.

I am not going to engage in speculation about the identity of the leader of the Men in Black. I am too far behind the story to have any meaningful insights.

For the anime I have seen only what Funimation released.
I love the show. I have at least two copies of each episode** on DVD and I have watched them all several times.
I also love the movies and have watched each of them at least three times. I have only one copy of each movie, but I would definitely buy them again on Blu-ray.
"Captured in Her Eyes" is my favorite.

For the manga I have stopped with volume 48 of the viz release, and I am not sure if I will continue.
Quite frankly I am just getting weary of the premise being dragged out, on and on and on ... and on.

I firmly believe that Conan should have told Rachel about everything that happened.
That would have changed a lot of things in the stories, but I think that it could have changed them for the better.
To me not telling her is really stupid and I do not understand it. Especially considering that both Kudo and Agasa are supposed to be geniuses.

Do you plan to have episode or movie discussions?

Thank you for starting this thread.

**EDIT: That is incorrect. I said that because I have all of the singles and the season sets, but I forgot that Funimation stopped releasing the singles with "Case" 5.5 which included episodes up to 83.
So I have only one copy each of episodes 84 through 130.
Fortunately those collections are still easy to find, if I need to replace something.
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Theory on series length (not really much a spoiler at all) [edit- this has been proven wrong- soI 'm removing the spoilers but leaving the theory to show what i was thinking at the time] :
I bet you Gosho Aoyama is starting to slowly wrap things up. It just seems logical that he'll be aiming for an even 100 volumes or 1000 files. The most recent Japanese volume is 85 and the most recent File is 911, so if that is the plan there are still 2-3 years to go, but I have to figure his plan (the plan of most manga-ka) of comfortably supporting himself into his old age with a sustainable long term story has been accomplished

I don't know if I should try to structure any discussions (like featuring certain stories/arcs), and I definitely want to limit me "talking to myself" and just adding more and more, but I hope this can be both a discussion of show theories and just a normal episode discussion thread. But, well... talking about episodes will lead to talk about story theories.

I mean, the big continuing character mystery is how Sera and her siblings relate to spoiler[Akai] and the story as a whole. So if we talk about any story with her or the other known mysterious characters, series talk will probably be included.

But since you have responded, Touma, it does give me the chance to do the next thing I was planning and post an episode review.

*A note on how I watch the show- I've always made it a practice to not watch a case until all of the episodes of the case have been released- so I won't likely be commenting on an episode if it's mid-case (like the newest one).

Tragedy of the Red Woman
eps. 754-756


I'd say this was a pretty good, but not excellent, case to start off a simulcast with, given the circumstances. Really complicated trick (but plenty of room for a viewer to guess parts of the solution). A good example of the relationship between Ran (AKA Rachel- but CR blessedly uses the Japanese names-so I won't have to make a habit of using the US names) and Conan.A good case for Sera to work on (basically a female Heiji) and plenty of Red Herrings thrown in to mess up the audience's guesses. The motive was an old stand-by though.

I'm a little confused about thespoiler[ tomato floating] trick though. I get that the spoiler[salinity had to rise to bring them up... but they were already in a tub of salt water]. it seems like too precise of a trick though. Plus there was the luck spoiler[of Ran not putting her hand in too far when testing the water temp early on. The tub was covering a fat man with barbells on his chest and a bunch of submerged tomatoes, camouflaged by only some green bath salt colored water.] It stretches belief a little more than usual in an episode.

As for continuing story elements.spoiler[ I'm certainly intrigued by the picture of the girl on Sera's phone screen, but I have to wonder just how important her extended family can really be. I'm really hoping they get to the story of the not-so-secret identity of Subaru Okiya. He was introduced almost 250 episodes ago and you've known he wasn't who he said from the beginning... but as we know. The shows continuing story... it does drag on. ]


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I'm kind of hoping when/if Crunchyroll gets on getting those older episodes, they emphasize getting the important episodes over the filler ones.

But either way fans will probably complain.

It's just that getting the meaty episodes would make it a lot more palatable for those who aren't already invested. Or people who want to catch up.
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Maybe the remastered episodes are where they should start. There's about 30 of those. Episodes they felt were good or important enough to touch up and re-release as specials. Not all about the main storyline, some are just good cases, but if they're good enough for them get a second broadcast they'd be good enough to showcase on Crunchyroll.
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fell behind.

Episodes 759-760 – The Romance Novel with the Unexpected Conclusion

And there's probably my least favorite of the Aoyama motive templates.
spoiler[The ridiculously "tragic" murder of someone the murderer supposedly cared for caused by he/she jumping to really stupid conclusions that could have been averted by a question... or in the least delayed until the suspicions are confirmed.... not that the problem is something you'd normally murder someone over in the first place.
Because, yeah, it makes so much sense... a person you admire who has never shown any actual hostility towards you could possibly do something a little problematic, not that you have any proof... the OBVIOUS solution is to kill the person without even confronting them with your paranoid delusion first. ]

I think he's maybe had two murders done by people spoiler[who thought the secretive behavior of the person they loved meant that they loved someone else... so kill 'em. IIRC one time, after solving the murder, Conan reveals the murder victim actually had a ring in his pocket for a proposal.]

Oh well, on the other hand... once again, great tricks (although the use of spoiler[the suitcase] was obvious) and interesting little reveal at the end.

I do wonder again how important the spoiler["sister from another domain]" really could be. It seems to me the story is stacking a few too many spoiler[Akai/Sera siblings] mysteries than are really needed. Unless the family really is central to the mysterious identity of the B.O. leader.

BTW, the chatter on Crunchyroll points to there being a really stupid mistranslation on the most important line of the post-credit sequence.
When the girl saysspoiler[ to Sera to tell Conan, if he asks, that she is "his [Conan's] sister from another domain" what she actually said is to say that she is "Your [Sera's] sister from another domain"]

I also wonder if maybe the girlspoiler[ is also a victim of the serum. Seems a bit mature for being a little girl.
I keep thinking that eventually the series has to introduce another character or two that have been turned into children by the serum.]
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Hey! The beginning of a long B.O. story arc! I usually wait and watch all of a case once all of the parts are released but this looks like at least a seven-parter. longest story since the Clash of Red and Black almost 300 episodes ago.

Episode 779 - A Scarlet Prologue

I have to admit I'm hoping this arc ends the major involvement of Amuro in the story. He served a purpose but his involvement had dragged on far too long and for some reason I've never liked him. It's always confused me why everyone has basically left him alone to do what he wants, despite Conan knowing who he is.

As for the first case of the arc, It's nice to get a little back story on Jodie but does anyone else think that every episode she's been in for the longest time has been concerned with making her a weaker and weaker character? Always crying and despairing over everything, losing control. It's too bad. Vulnerability is good, but she's being painted a little too harshly as the sad, grieving girl.
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Shall we try to get this going again? I would have contributed sooner, but didn't realize there was a thread.

^ re Jodie, I've already forgotten a lot of what went down in that arc, but what I do remember was that she was an idiot in it. I'd have to go back to see what exactly upset me (something about being fooled at the hospital), but I do remember being very frustrated with her, so I thought I'd let you know you're not alone on that. Smile

Episode 804-805 Conan and Ebizo's Kabuki Juhachiban Mystery

After weeks of the Detective Boys episodes it's nice to see them kick off the 20th anniversary year with a decent mystery. They've clearly run out of crime motives, but the reveal was a lot of fun this time and Conan's predicament was suitably tense. But I still feel like they've been cheating for awhile now in not giving us quite enough clues to solve it with Conan, though I admit I rarely can even when they do.

Random thoughts on the OP/ED: I find it hilarious that Conan's head is bigger than Shinichi's when they're pictured side by side in the OP. I'm also wondering what's going on in that last shot of the ED, where all the kids are watching Ran sleep with expressions of delighted amazement. wth? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:07 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
S I'm also wondering what's going on in that last shot of the ED, where all the kids are watching Ran sleep with expressions of delighted amazement. wth? Laughing


Genta looks absolutely deranged! He's got the same sneer they always use when they show a murderer all in black outline with only the white teeth and eyes.

I really liked the Conan and Ebizo's Kabuki Juhachiban Mystery. They got their A-Team of the B-Teams for that one. It felt like a movie.

Although they finished off this longest streak of anime originals with a real stinker. The Ventriloquist's Illusion
Only two suspects, a silly conceit (although kinda creepy), and a frame up so weak they didn't even mention the the most glaring flaw in it. If the assistant was supposed to be completely alonespoiler[ in the room when he killed her... WHY would he leave the player and speakers there?] It's not proof of his innocence... but it was, to me, the most glaring hint of a bad frame-job.
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Spastic Minnow wrote:
Genta looks absolutely deranged! He's got the same sneer they always use when they show a murderer all in black outline with only the white teeth and eyes.

He does! He always kind of looks like that though. But he and Mitsuhiko seem to both be checking out Ran's boobs, while Ayumi seems to be marveling over her unicorn hair. :)

This was the second reveal in a row done on stage. It was still classy, and I liked that part, but the whole ventriloquist thing I could do without (though I'm glad they addressed Mori's ventriloquism in the wrap-up, since I'd been thinking the same thing. Good joke on it too.). It seemed especially creepy (esp. the opening of the first part) for a show aimed at kids.

I was disappointed that the glasses didn't figure in as expected (given that they were this week's hint). I thought there'd be something about the blood not being splashed on them, since a smear or drip would look very different. Sometimes I think too deeply into these...
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Episode 808-809 The Kamaitachi Inn

That wasn't too bad. The non-Newtonian fluid thing was unexpected and kinda neat, even if I have my doubts they could have pulled it off without anyone noticing. That's a lot of heavy bags to carry. Smile
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Episodes 810 - 812 – The Darkness of the Prefectural Police

So, I decided to ignore my usual rule and I watched the three episodes of this case as they came out instead of watching at the end.
and I was rewarded with one of the worst and most needlessly confusing Gosho Aoyama cases I can remember.

As far as I can tell the case was an excuse to really get creative (and silly) with Japanese historical names as clues... even though they were really arbitrary to the actual case.

It'd be one thing if he was murdering them BECAUSE spoiler[their names corresponded with the historical names, but the names were pretty much coincidental. It's not like they were BO members who were given the names to show their membership... they were part of a group that had to be 1) cops, 2) crooked), 3) named already in a way that corresponds with a group of historical figures... That is, simply, an idiotic prerequisite for a secret society.]

Then, we have the almost completely uselessness of Conan AND his deductions. spoiler[In a practical sense, the case was solved entirely by recognizing the fake murder (Which I spotted immediately) and by observation. They deduced the culprit by witnessing his actions and caught him by following him.]

and then it was wrapped up with with Aoyama's Achilles Heel -- the horrible motive. spoiler[The guy didn't kill the cops for causing his sister's death... but because they sold the gun that was used to kill her? Ooookay... not that it comes close to inanity of him wanting to kill Yamato -- "It's your fault for having a shitty friend!"]

And that whole thing in the beginning about Conan bizarrely suspecting spoiler[Yamato of being the B.O.'s second in command]? Apparently forgotten.

Goodnss Conan, get home and find yourself a locked room murder- those are harder to mess up.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:54 pm Reply with quote
The reveal was more ridiculously drawn out than anything I've ever seen before. It wasn't even, "Could the killer be...?" ::cut to another scene for ten minutes or 6 episodes:: It was one name expanded over like 3 minutes while he's speaking it. oO

To me the names seemed so loosely related, and even based on people who were less than the well-known central players (his name is sorta like that guy who told him to ally with Oda), that 3/4 of Japan would probably qualify if they fit the other criteria. So I think they found dirty cops and then once they decided which historical figure some part of their name was closest to, invited them in. Smile

I spotted the fake too. Although I thought the head was probably still attached to its owner hidden by the trees. Smile And yeah, you must die because you have bad friends was pretty weak.

Yep, the BO thing just went completely forgotten, despite the two possible suspects. I suspect they may open the next episode with Conan pondering that some more.

I thought it was kinda funny that neither Mori nor Ran questioned Conan's in depth knowledge - he ended up having to provide his "alibi" with no prompting at all.

What was the woman detective's black romantic past? I don't remember what, if anything, was said about that before.

I enjoyed it though. At least there seemed to be some drama and something at stake, which the typical "happens to be where a murder happens" stories can rarely conjure.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:59 am Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:


What was the woman detective's black romantic past? I don't remember what, if anything, was said about that before.


That was from the case she was introduced in. Her husband was murdered, although she only married him to investigate his family- which she believed was involved in the case that injured Yamato.
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Yui_Uehara
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