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tygerchickchibi
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Remember what I said about how it's more implied in same gender friendships that they must have some romantic relationship? My question is why does a show like this automatically refer to a character being gay? I never said it was a problem, I'm just generally wondering for those particular "Fanservice" shows that are catered to females. You said it yourself that Kyoto Animation knew what they were doing so the fangirls can create fanfiction. To my eyes, I thought they were good friends. And then someone pretty much told me flat out that they are gay and if I didn't think otherwise I must be insane. I don't have a problem with it, I just know if I say something opposite, they would act like I crushed their dreams. |
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lostrune
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Well, if ya believe in the idea media reflects the culture it's made in, then since straight people make up the vast majority of people in the world, it's a safe assumption to assume the majority of fictional characters are straight by default unless proven otherwise. As far as America goes, about 3% of Americans considered themselves gay/bi last I looked into it, but I'm unsure how that statistic differs if you include other parts of the world. If you only look at gay/lesbian part and exclude bisexual orientation, then it's about half that number. Exception being Bioware games where most people are gay/bi and straight people are the minority 
Course it all depends on the person's perception too. How many times have you heard someone call something "gay" because two male character hugged or are best friends or something in anime? Like Naruto and Sasuke who get a lot of jokes about them Even if it's a platonic thing, the idea is gay to certain people who think men can't be emotional or intimate with other men. People are less likely to think girls are lesbian just because they hug a female friend because it's more accepted for women to be emotional and touchy-feely in our culture.
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Norbie
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Can you be a bit more specific? Was it nothing more than they guy spent the whole day doing the whole "Convention Guest" thing, was finished with it, wanted to relax, but was still hassled by fans? |
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duomaxwelldoesddr
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It's very rare for me to log in to post - I am definitely more of a reader/lurker here on ANN, but I felt this justified it.
Mr. Sevakis, my hat is off to you. Your response hit the nail on the head, and the (sadly) uncommon wisdom you showed was brilliant. I would love to expound upon some of the finer points you stated, however I believe your post speaks for itself more than eloquently enough. As someone who has grown weary with seeing hate campaigns on social media timelines and the like, I sincerely appreciate your giving clarification to the frustration and a relatively clear corrective course of action. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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I remember the Vic interview on ANNCast where I think Zac brought up these rumors and, to paraphrase, Vic said, "show me the tapes. Everyone says they saw me on some YouTube video saying this and that but nobody can ever produce it."
All of the hate for this guy really seems to come from mystery videos that everybody has heard exist but that nobody has actually seen. It's just anecdotal, but I've met him a few times and seen him on panels. He really isn't the gay bashing hyper-fundamentalist "you won't get an autograph unless you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior," person that so many on the internet make out to be. |
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Cait
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Looks like your question got lost in the Vic discussion. The character in the image is Rin Matsuoka from Free!, the guy Vic got cast as that started this whole mess. |
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Joe Carpenter
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Has Vic Mignogna ever really said anything homophobic or is this a bigoted assumption based on the fact that he's a Christian?
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tygerchickchibi
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Pretty much this. And I wish it can be okay for straight men to be that way but apparently, it's impossible according to fandom. >.>;; This is pretty much why I feel like this "homophobic" protest against a VA who's character has an ambiguous (sexual) identity is really odd, because in their world, he IS gay.
Probably the latter. From the last thing I've ever heard about Vic ever being against that kind of thing, is related to fanfiction of characters who were never that way in the first place. This was a convention that I went to a while ago, and I can agree how that can be a little uncomfortable. For example, I cringe at hentai doujins of popular shows, like Sailor Moon. It does sell, but doesn't make it any less bothersome. Last edited by tygerchickchibi on Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fuuma_monou
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Zac and Justin mentioned in the comments for that episode that they specifically did not ask about the homophobia rumors. Vic did talk about his Christianity. |
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Joe Carpenter
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It seems like "Vic Mignogna's homophobia" is the Bigfoot of anime fandom, some people claim to have seen it but where's the video proof?
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meggu
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Vic has openly stated he doesn't sign yaoi dj or other such works from fans. Definitely within his right, but this rubs people the wrong way and is sometimes used as evidence to prove his homophobia.
Personally, I think that's ridiculous. |
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Chuee
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Nobody assumes anything, though. It's a common trope in certain all-girls shows to sort of toy around with the idea of yuri relationships with certain characters without ever outright saying they're gay. I haven't seen Free but I've heard it's similar in the fact that it puts certain characters in situations together and has them be overly 'friendly' where they're toying on the line between being friends and being romantically attracted to each other. Given how Free is probably popular among Fujoshi in the same way that Yuri fans enjoy shows with yuri-bait shows I'd imagine Kyoani would want to toy around with Yaoi ideas to get them interested in it. |
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tygerchickchibi
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That is definitely a personal problem for people. But it still doesn't justify any of what they are doing. They just sound like big babies. |
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DJStarstryker
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Except that's ridiculous. There's plenty of people who will autograph only certain things. For example, you can typically only get Japanese guests to sign something they blatantly worked on - a doujinshi, even if it features a character they voice acted, is not something they worked on. Some are even so picky as they'll only sign this ONE CD, and if you already owned it, tough luck, because they'll only sign this ONE CD that you purchased right before the autograph session at this certain table. English dub voice actors generally are willing to sign many things. I have an Asuka figure signed by Tiffany Grant. I highly doubt you'd get Yoko Miyamura to do that. So if Vic wants to restrict things a bit, it's within his right to. |
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Greggo
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I just find it hilarious that *this* is what convinces people not to purchase a particular Funimation DVD, but nobody bats an eye that the CEO of the company is the co-founder of EchoLight Studios, a faith-based film studio which also has Rick Santorum as a CEO, a politician who's actually on record saying some things people who signed the petition probably wouldn't like.
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