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MechaManX
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SEED Destiny was far from the best, believe me. But it's also nowhere near the levels of untouchability like, say... *shutters* Victory Gundam. Even i wont go near that with a ten foot pole. A lot of SEED haters give it a worst time than it deserved.
Like yeah, the recycled animation was lazy in action. but it also had its fill of original awesome animation too. Stock footage is just, sadly, kind of a staple for anime in general. Dont forget G gundam had its share of Shining Finger laziness too. not to mention Wing's action is summarized in 1) Gundam Signature weapon/Attack. 2) Leo's blow up. the ideas in Destiny were quite ambitious and neat. a story focused on the creation of a villain, rather than just thrusting the antagonist in. Shinn's descent into darkness is quite a cool aspect that averts what a lot of the other series' does. The thin line of heroic and villainous for that matter too, as PoV of ZAFT and terminal deciding who was the good guys and bad guys. it really is among the best example of both sides being right in gundam, in the battle between Free Will and Peace. Destiny just suffered from a lack of fluent execution. Something that its predecessor, SEED, handled flawlessly. |
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Kaioshin_Sama
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Move Gundam for great justice and everlasting peace
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residentgrigo
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Hey Victory Gundam i like a lot. The atmosphere alone is one of a kind in the field of saturday morning cartoons.
I don´t care about which century the show is set in. I dislike ZZ, kind of Unicorn(hardcore retcons/shonen nonsense/very badly done piece message), F91(and all it´s unending mangas) and the whiny girl from Counterattack. Outside i like 00(not the final movie wreck), After War, Turn and Reconguista(still evaluating). Geass(Gundam+ Death Note on crack) season 1 is alright too. Origins next year should be great. That mange(and the OG novels), Zeta Define and the new Counterattack manga are amazing remainings of the classic and they even skipped ZZ. I sometimes have the feeling that sunrise is now better at commissioning manga adaptations then actually doing shows now'  '. I am also shure that Destiny hadn´t many outside influences and left Fukuda run around without any direction or sanity for real. Just be glad that the movie is dead. Jesus fighting space whales' ' would have been something BEYOND sanity. Look what it did to 00.
Wing is light porn for young girls(what hair and Megan Fox is into it). An essay about that one would make more sense imo'  '. It even has way too good music too.
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redranger
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If it weren't for the absurd amount of recycled animation in Gundam Seed, it would have been a great show. But you are literally(as in the actual definition of "literal") watching the same action scene every episode. What utter horse shit.
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SilverTalon01
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Oh please, a lot of older anime recycled scenes... especially older gundams. Wing which most of the CE haters seem to adore was just as egregious. Limited budget, limited time, limited tech. If all you like watching are super high budget series/ovas/movies, that is certainly a choice you can make.
Wait what? Only 2 girls really ever expressed interest that way. Flay and Lacus. The ladies man is clearly Athrun as he had Lacus, Cagalli, Meer, Luna, and Meyrin all having romantic interest at some point.
There is no way that wasn't canned by now. SEED is still incredibly popular, but it doesn't take a decade to make a movie. At this point they can't really use any of the animation they might have started either because it will look too dated. If it was even still sitting on the backburner, they probably would have mentioned it after Age sunk like a rock.
I'd go with more like 4/10. Its like all the bad and mediocre Tomino ideas combined with really out of place art and a pace like there will be 50 episodes to finish up the plot. It is certainly better than AGE, and there are interesting and well done parts in there. However, he isn't even remotely close with G-Reco to the levels of First, Z, and Turn-A. I had really high hopes after the first 2 eps (aside from the art), but it ended up devolving to a ZZ'ish scenario where you have the MC who fits in but also a bunch of teenagers who seem to really just be there to watch them fail or for goofy hijinks as the group goes around on their battleship. ZZ at least picked it up for the end, but G-Reco doesn't have 50ish episodes for him to pull it around like he is use to. |
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MechaManX
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Jesus yamato: A nickname given because kira yamato survived an explosion from a self destructing Aegis Gundam, Supposedly dying, and then returned.
Char Aznable; inside two blowing up environments (one time outside of mobile suit), supposedly dying twice, returned twice. Heero Yuy; Self Destructed his gundam, while still in it, and plummeted 100-something feet, slept for a little bit, came out unscathed. Almost Every Main character in 00: in Season 1 finale, all supposedly got put into a destructive position, seemingly dead, All returned in season 2, and Lockon even had a convenient twin. patrick Colasour; A character whose defining characteristic is LITERALLY surviving being shot down. Ribbons Almark; A character who took a gun shot to the head and lived. Setsuna 'Freaking' Seiya; A character whose gad-dang resolution involves never dying. literally immortal. Come on people. it's freaking everywhere in Gundam. Seriously. it's ok to dislike something. not everybody likes anything. not everyone likes SEED. not everyone likes Wing. 00, Zeta, ZZ. everything is gonna be hated by some people. But don't blindly pound to the ground an insult when its present literally everywhere else, including in shows you insist are far better. Nearly every main gundam series has stock footage. SEED recycling, Wing signature attacks, Stock FINGER! nearly every gundam series has characters that just shouldn't exist. Sarah and Katz, Quess and hathaway, Relena. nearly every Gundam as fake-out deaths. nearly every gundam has just... wtf writing sometimes. Remember how every battle in 00 ends by overpowering the enemy with GN particles, trans-Am, or a new secret weapon, making pilot skill and superior tactics pointless? Remember how terrible G gundams last few episodes were, which ruined the ending paved by the Shuffle Alliance vs Master Asia and company. open your mind, open your eyes a little. Be a little smarter. |
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redranger
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Well, I thought gundam wing in general was far far worse than Seed so please don't bring up that piece of trash.
00 and Age don't recycle a god dammed thing. Seed is the worst offender I have ever seen or probably will ever see. Just so effing blatant. |
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MechaManX
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No. 00's was just kinda... thoughtless. It was 1) Have bad guys beat up the Meisters with superior piloting/tactics. 2) have Meisters activated Trans-AM or reveal a new weapon/power to overpower them. every. dang. time. it was equivalent to a john Cena wrestling match. So basically the budget in writing went to animation. |
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SilverTalon01
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Is that why? I don't remember ever hearing that until after Destiny. My friends and I always called him that because in Destiny he came back after being away, started preaching his gospel, pretty much converted the world, and is so ridiculously overpowered in universe that he might as well be god-like.
You're kidding right? Both of those absolutely use stock footage. Not sure how you can miss it, though I will agree it is less of an issue in the newer shows. Really just an age issue. And 00 aside, I'd take double the stock footage of SEED over the train wreck that was AGE. I mean I can see why AGE might have less stock footage (other than being newer), spoiler[the antagonist launched into the final battle and was killed in less than 2 minutes from launch.] Just end everything super fast and you can avoid stock footage! |
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SilverTalon01
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Is that why? I don't remember ever hearing that until after Destiny. My friends and I always called him that because in Destiny he came back after being away, started preaching his gospel, pretty much converted the world, and is so ridiculously overpowered in universe that he might as well be god-like.
You're kidding right? Both of those absolutely use stock footage. Not sure how you can miss it, though I will agree it is less of an issue in the newer shows. Really just an age issue. And 00 aside, I'd take double the stock footage of SEED over the train wreck that was AGE. I mean I can see why AGE might have less stock footage (other than being newer), spoiler[the antagonist launched into the final battle and was killed in less than 2 minutes from launch.] Just end everything super fast and you can avoid stock footage! |
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MechaManX
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Yeah. What preaching does kira really do? he takes a third option to stop people from massacring each other. it's what CB does too. the preacher if anyone was Lacus, as the political voice of the force. is telling people to killing and dying over pointless skirmishes really unreasonably preachy? Only preaching he ever really did was to Rey, in order to make him snap out his Creuset delusions.
but for the sake of argument, lets say thats the case; But nobody bats an eye at the fact Char returns and practically makes a religion out of Zeon/Neo Zeon, Amuro was OP enough to beat Char and Gyunei at the same time in a Re-GZ, or how no many aces you have on Full Frontal he will just trump them all unless its Banagher, Or that Setsuna literally beat a brilliant multi-stage plan of; 1) Underwater assault on CB to draw them out. 2) Aerial Trap to surround them to force them to Trans-Am into orbit. 3) Sniper attack to push their escape off course. 4) Blockade of warships in place to intercept CB by firing like 2 or 3 shots. And what's worst is for how much people complain about Kira being so strong, they also complain and get on the case of when Shinn defeated kira, in which was actually quite a reasonable loss. one of my personal favorites is; "Kira was too God mode OP" followed by in a debate of which character would win in a fight "-insert character name- would kick kira's ass" |
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Ingraman
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I never made it past the first episode (perhaps also the second?) episode of Gundam Seed. When it looked as though it was going to be friend vs. friend Gundam, I sighed, gave up, and never looked back. I wonder if it actually turned out that way, or if I'd misread things. ^^;
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MechaManX
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it's actually a really good story. two long lost childhood friends meet on the battlefield. one battles under the orders of his father, a leader in politics, and the other fights under a bad circumstance and having to protect his friends. At first they can't pull the trigger on each other or really try to kill each other. But with each hesitation, something is lost. Athrun didn't kill kira when he had the chance, so a friend and ally dies. kira couldn't fight full force on Athrun, so an important ship carrying family of a love interest he swore to help blows up. with each encounter they have, they come a little closer to the edge. fighting a little harder on each other. Then comes the day when they both killed somebody extremely close to the other, and they are both pushed off the edge into a frenzy of wanting to kill each other, leading to one of THE most emotionally filled and awesome battles in Gundam history.... and thats only roughly half the series. But the show isn't just that, there a lot more, different, conflicts throughout the show too, if thats what you were asking. it didn't basically revolve around 2 characters fighting like how Wing had for Heero and Zechs. |
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Zetabag
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There's also getting caught in the Genesis shot, which is the equivalent of several nuclear warheads, and surviving despite the fact that Rau got wiped out by the same blast and the Freedom going up in a huge explosion after getting impaled by the Impulse in Destiny. And as for Kira's first brush with death, he survived the Aegis exploding at point blank range while the Strike's cockpit was compromised (exposed to the outside) and still manages to stumble out. And yes having close brushes with death was nothing new to gundam when SEED came out but SEED really pushed it to absurd levels. By comparison, all the other "close calls" in other Gundam series seem non threatening (the exception being Heero Yui's self destruct scene though it was only one time.) Now I actually like SEED (minus Destiny) so please don't take my criticism of Kira's survival rate as hating on SEED. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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My dear internet user, don't let your hate of Fukuda have the better of you. It's a path that leads to the dark side. 
More seriously, I for one I'm definitely happy that Fukuda is still in the industry and doing anime. He is a breath of fresh air. And as I said in another thread you cannot judge a book by its cover. And yet that's what 99% of you did. Even editors of this site condemned Cross Ange on the basis of a 2 second cavity search scene. Cross Ange that's becoming one of the best anime of this season. A real emotional roller coaster. And all thanks to Fukuda. 
As for the whole Jesus Yamato meme. Give it a rest already. It was a standard explosion, if it didn't kill Athrun who ejected seconds before how the hell can you even think Kira would have been killed as he was protected in his cockpit ? Gundam Reconguista as much as I like it is not even in the same league as Seed/Destiny. Reconguista is kid friendly, it has nothing, nothing at all of the edginess, darker human themes and violence of war that is in Seed/Destiny. Not even Z can compare to the violence that is shown in Fukuda's Gundam shows. |
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