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Polycell
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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I would hope this isn't new info for you self proclaimed OTAKU's out there. The reality of the animation world is brutal.
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reanimator
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I know that you're saying that as hardcore collector, but once drawings are collected then how are they going to sell all of them in time? Popularity life span of most anime are short and a lot of them aren't even hits. Legally speaking, production company can get into trouble for making tons of money selling original animation artworks without consent of rights owner as breach of contract. Even If drawings are permitted to sold at dirt cheap price, there is no way they can sell them all as fans are picky about particular drawings. They'll go after closeup shots of main characters, not some mundane drawings of minor characters, distant shots, moving objects, and other unattractive shots. Background painting? Unless it's included with animation drawing in a cut envelope, that's hard to sell. I don't know what kind of collection you have, but do you have a lot of unattractive pictures?
Investors? Producers? What are you talking about? I'm talking about just regular production studios like Kyoto Animation, Production IG, PA Works, etc selling their own merchandise in limited quantity at dojinshi events. Being at dojinshi event, I think they're making moderate amount of money as supplemental income. Your average inbetween animators can't claim credit on any animation drawings as his/her own as he/she only traces key animation of someone else's. Honestly I don't know if inbetween animators get a share from dojinshi merchandise sale. However, if supplemental income helps production studios to have perks like "free pizza night" or something, then it's better than nothing. |
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MarshalBanana
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The government should bring the living wage down, or if they are so interested in promoting Anime, give perks to people living in the industry, a reduced rent for anyone who works as an animator with wages below a certain level.
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mdo7
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@MarshalBanana, regarding your question about Korean animation, I did get confirmed news report that the Korean govt will be investing 380 billion Won into that industry. Again, I'm not sure of the condition of the animator wages but I hope the govt bolstering the industry can help them. I wish the Japanese govt would do something like this then this article here wouldn't be an issue.
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residentgrigo
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This is not only a japanese problem btw. as this story made the comic board rounds http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/08/marvel-entertainment-sued-by-unpaid-intern
Or even better this one: http://deadline.com/2011/08/disney-fires-marvels-marketing-department-162086/ Mickey Maus basically fired half of the staff at big M when they bought them so interns can do the background work. Maybe such interns can also animate our favorite Japanimation of the future? The lack of professional animators is also why The Sky Crawlers was also in 3D. Well besides GitS 2 flopping big time. Sorry for being so cynical but but was born in the last days of the USSR and this is how the wold works and forever will as my gradfather worked till age 67 in a nightshift till he dropped dead. You don´t even want to know who build your I-products btw. So many dead chinese "slaves". So many. This 10/10 masterpiece is about North Korean animation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang:_A_Journey_in_North_Korea Learn a bit. Last edited by residentgrigo on Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Madoka...AYUKAWA!
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Sad to see those that supposedly believe keeping salaries down is the way to go, you have the same dirty mind and those damn CHUPACABRAS getting filthy rich with modern day slavery.
It all would be fine if the profits were divided more equally and with more morals, of course, it wont happen, what greedy high ranking execute or investor would accept to win still excellent money but a less to paid better the labor hand? None, what filthy rich investor would accept to make good profits but that which will prevent to buy a new 1 million sports car every year? None. Modern day slavery at its finest, congratulations to those that think keeping salaries down its the way to compete with cheap hand labor overseas and all that sh*t! Congrats, you are well indoctrinated by the capitalist world. I hope you are also a modern day slave. that is what you deserve. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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How about some consistency? Are you also dropping your smartphone or computer whose components were in sweat shops in asia, the pretty cloths made with sweat and tears or are you refraining from buying your would be wife a blood soaked diamond ring? As bad as the situation is in japan, most still have plenty of (less exciting/appealing) options of how to make a living. As far as I can see the only solution is to make anime production more profitable by making a push to sell overseas. The more money the production committee has, the more they would offer to secure quality craftsmanship. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6248 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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When it comes to smartphone or computer, I can't live without those. Yes I'm aware (and acknowledged) of possible sweatshop that these phones and computer may have went through. BTW, my smartphone was made (and assembled) in South Korea and not in China. My PC is made in USA. So I'm very careful of the product I choose. But when I do buy a "made in China", I've always wondered how many people in a Chinese factory had "slave" their way making those products. Now regarding anime, that one I can live without it. But the problem is you're paying a lot of money for anime and those money you paid don't go to those poor newcomer animators who put a lot of hard work and effort into making the animation. That's why I question if it's worth it for me to buy anime on DVDs/blu-rays.
I would like to see that, but I'm not sure if that's possible. |
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Greed1914
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I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate here, but one problem would be that companies might tighten their belts further by either outsourcing the work to other countries or reduce production, resulting in lots of animators being out of work entirely. Though I suppose it might end up forcing them to find other work that at least paid minimum wage. |
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mdo7
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Part of me wants to help the anime industry. But at the same time, the other part of me don't want to support a industry that pay "slave wages" to animators that put a lot of hard work and effort into making these wonderful animation. So this is a big moral dilemma and as mangamuscle said if anime industry take the overseas market seriously then this wouldn't be an issue. But anime industry in Japan never take the overseas market seriously. |
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CoreSignal
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I'm curious about this as well. A publisher like Aniplex can charge hefty prices, yet they still turn a pretty good profit, so does Aniplex just pocket all the money while the shows' staff still receive the same base pay? Same for the merchanisers who sell figures, artbooks, wallscrolls, etc. If I were an animator or artist I would hate to see somebody make a profit from my work and not receive any of it. |
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Madoka...AYUKAWA!
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jajaja, good laugh sir. I will say I hope your way of thinking is merely naive. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6248 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Well overseas profit could help a lot. I mean Japan just got out of recession (thanks to a slight rise in export). |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I would urge you to work for a similar salary with a similar cost of living rate and then try to say that again. |
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