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Selipse
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I count 50 from FansubDB, including shorts, Robot Girls Z+ (monthly shorts), and Anime Mirai as a whole (4 in total). |
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Hoppy800
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If anything finding stuff from kids shows without a high Otaku fanbase is hard. I have options galore to find merchandise from almost every night show I watch. It gets difficult to find the merchandise from a kids show that isn't Precure, Aikatsu, Pripara, or a shounen. |
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Hameyadea
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Well, if one was to include TV shorts, kids shows and the likes, we get some 127 TV anime shows currently running, as of today. That's not counting OVAs, ONAs, and miscellaneous. |
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Jonny Mendes
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I don't think Hideaki Anno Anime's 'Decline' comment's are about decline because of Moe or fan-service. If that what he means than he is one of the biggest guilty persons.
Let's see: Neon Genesis Evangelion (One of the anime Otaku community loves the most) -Useless MC: Ikari Shinji (One of the worse useless MC's in anime history) -Moe Girl: Ayanami Rei (The queen of moe. All other moe heroines since EVA are based on her) -Tsundere: Asuka Langley Soryu (All the aspects of tsundere characters can be find in her) What Hideaki Anno are complaining about is lack of funding and less good artists staying in the industry. Last edited by Jonny Mendes on Wed May 27, 2015 1:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Foxaika
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So to make a long story short, there are a lot of shows out there and it's probably not true that 98% of them are perverted, pedolicious shows that get lapped up by a small handful of fans. Edit: If that's true though, then man, I have done a lot of lapping up. Actually, maybe I have! 
Last edited by Foxaika on Wed May 27, 2015 1:34 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Cptn_Taylor
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You have to ask yourselves this fundamental question : why is it that in Japan the tv broadcasters are not investing in anime beyond 1 or 2 traditional kid friendly series ? This is the main difference between the 60s, 70s, 80s 90s and the '00s and '10s. Anime has been kicked out of tv. What you see in late night are for all intents and purposes infomercials paid for by the anime producers. Designed from the get go to sell either the original material that inspired the anime (manga) or fig merchandise. Pillows etc... This is the situation that Anno laments. And it is this situation that has lead the animation industry towards a thematic and demographic insularization that is not healthy at all in the long term. |
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Moroboshi-san
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That is true but these problems are result of wrong target audience. If anime industry focuses (outside kid's segment) on extreme niche audience with questionable reputation funding will be scarce and any talent want to run very fast to someplace else not to get tarnished. Whether Anno now at 55 realizes he has been part of the problem is another story. Maybe he does as he flushed new NGE-movie down the toilet and goes live-action-directing instead. |
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Selipse
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Okay, then. There are 7 shorts (plus Anime Mirai and RGZ+). That leaves us with 41 new shows. There are 6 kids shows. That leaves us with 35. If you want to further separate the midnight shows, there are 5 series airing in the afternoon. So 30. The fanservice shows still make up only less than a sixth of the midnight series.
Actually, there's this pretty good post about the rebuilds being a response to the otaku reception of Evangelion. Anno's not talking about that, though. He's just concerned about the business side of things. |
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Jonny Mendes
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Anime changed target audience because is been removed from daytime mainstream TV. TV channels has been funding this mainstream anime, but now are removing many shows from air except the Kodomo and the big shounen shows putting more live shows instead. Because the Late Night shows are payed by the productions committees, the TV stations are putting them on air. And this productions committees are dominate by the LN and manga publishers and DVD's/BD company's like Pony Canyon. And because this products are bought by the Otaku, that is what the target audience are. There are few mainstream anime that can compete with this kind of shows at late night slots. The way to help anime with no-otaku audience is to find a way to fund them without the TV-stations money. Maybe the solution is in streaming. I think i talked about this before but anime is not that big in Japan. Kodomo and card games based kid shows are big, but if is not some anime based in a famous manga, most people don't know about it. Japanese been kids, teens or adults love manga but not care much about most anime.
Nice post. After watching the Rebuild series i had many questions about the changes but this post give me the answers. Thank you. Last edited by Jonny Mendes on Wed May 27, 2015 1:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Parse Error
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That question doesn't make any sense because they already are. Either you're going by a woefully incomplete TV schedule, or just completely making stuff up. Here's one example with the series for younger kids helpfully marked, and you will surely find there are more than just one or two of those alone. There are also several day and evening series aimed at the shounen and shoujo demographics, plus a few late-night shows that would appeal to people who don't fit the "creepy otaku" stereotype. Last edited by Parse Error on Wed May 27, 2015 3:44 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Moroboshi-san
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And the problem in the nutshell is: if everybody (and not only the horrible otaku-creeps) love manga, why do they not love anime made based on that manga? TV-channels should not be the problem, they will send anything lot of people want to watch, they are run based on viewership numbers. |
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Urban Flow
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Yeah but do you realize what people actually buy the most. That's right you guessed it. |
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Jonny Mendes
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Manga can be read everywhere, in trains going to work and school, between classes, lunch breaks. But not anime. Only on TVs. (im not talking on streaming on pc's). Anime don't have audiences like variety shows and dramas. The TV channels prefer to spend money on that kind of shows with the biggest audience. |
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Via_01
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You mean, all those fanservice oriented LN adaptations that sell like shit most of the time? Because they do. Last season alone, the show that sold best out of that kind was Shinmai Maou no Testament, with less than 6000 copies, while shows like Jojo and Kuroko stand above the 10.000 units mark (though the latter is for different reasons). Of course, if we add different types of merchandise, it may be a different story... but I believe it'd be just slightly different, at least with such a difference in numbers. |
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Hoppy800
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I had a solution to that a few pages back where I said that mobile needed to be utilized for anime streaming services. |
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