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Sam Leach



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:04 am Reply with quote
ultimatehaki wrote:
Enis lobby was the last saga in which I actually liked the animation. It was an improvement to the old animation, which I still like and go back to a lot, but wasn't the loose shiny mess it started to became in the Thriller bark saga.

When they redid enis lobby and nami's rescue arc in the movie special, it was the final nail in the coffin since it let me fully realize how much I really hated the new animation. It did nothing for me.


fwiw those TV specials kind of have their own style and aren't very representative of what the anime looks like 99% of the time. (I do hate the way they look too)
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MasterKingJC



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:40 am Reply with quote
ultimatehaki wrote:
Enis lobby was the last saga in which I actually liked the animation. It was an improvement to the old animation, which I still like and go back to a lot, but wasn't the loose shiny mess it started to became in the Thriller bark saga.

When they redid enis lobby and nami's rescue arc in the movie special, it was the final nail in the coffin since it let me fully realize how much I really hated the new animation. It did nothing for me.


It's fascinating that you assume that, since Thriller Bark had more consistent displays of high-quality animation from more talented animators than Enies Lobby.
Outside of a select few episodes, it's not as dynamic or fluid.
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ultimatehaki



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:36 am Reply with quote
MasterKingJC wrote:
ultimatehaki wrote:
Enis lobby was the last saga in which I actually liked the animation. It was an improvement to the old animation, which I still like and go back to a lot, but wasn't the loose shiny mess it started to became in the Thriller bark saga.

When they redid enis lobby and nami's rescue arc in the movie special, it was the final nail in the coffin since it let me fully realize how much I really hated the new animation. It did nothing for me.


It's fascinating that you assume that, since Thriller Bark had more consistent displays of high-quality animation from more talented animators than Enies Lobby.
Outside of a select few episodes, it's not as dynamic or fluid.


Whether its high quality or not, had more talented animators or not. It just didn't look appealing to me at all.
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AksaraKishou



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:11 pm Reply with quote
Please don't lump Bleach and naruto together... Bleach only had one Filler arc, which was the Bount arc. Naruto, on the other hand, had more Filler than actual content...
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ultimatehaki



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:29 pm Reply with quote
AksaraKishou wrote:
Please don't lump Bleach and naruto together... Bleach only had one Filler arc, which was the Bount arc. Naruto, on the other hand, had more Filler than actual content...


I never watched bleach cause I found it uninteresting but for for a long running shonen jump adaptation to have had only one filler arc is impossible.

Also I know people complained about the enormous amount of filler in bleach just like they did for naruto. So I can assume that you haven't read the bleach manga to distinguish the filler from the canon, or you aren't paying attention.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:21 pm Reply with quote
ultimatehaki wrote:
AksaraKishou wrote:
Please don't lump Bleach and naruto together... Bleach only had one Filler arc, which was the Bount arc. Naruto, on the other hand, had more Filler than actual content...


I never watched bleach cause I found it uninteresting but for for a long running shonen jump adaptation to have had only one filler arc is impossible.

Also I know people complained about the enormous amount of filler in bleach just like they did for naruto. So I can assume that you haven't read the bleach manga to distinguish the filler from the canon, or you aren't paying attention.


I've read the manga too and you were right. I forgot about the Zampakuto Rebbelion arc ( which I still don't think was true filler since Kubo kept the Zampakuto spirits designs) The anime wasn't even that long so aside from a couple of scenes scattered around, bleach didn't have much filler.
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^You also forgot the New Captain Shunsuke Amagai and Gotei 13 Invading Army arcs. Between those and the previously mentioned arcs, that gets you 130 filler episodes out of 366 total, or 35.5%. Add in the others sprinkled into nonfiller arcs and you get 160, or 43.7% of the show, which seems like a lot. One Piece has less filler episodes than Bleach (91 including the episodes yet to be aired in the current arc, or 11.6% of the show by the time this arc finishes) while being over twice as long! Naruto is of course in a league of its own on that question but Sam is more than justified in his lumping them together in terms of their approach to filler.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:00 pm Reply with quote
zrnzle500 wrote:
^You also forgot the New Captain Shunsuke Amagai and Gotei 13 Invading Army arcs. Between those and the previously mentioned arcs, that gets you 130 filler episodes out of 366 total, or 35.5%. Add in the others sprinkled into nonfiller arcs and you get 160, or 43.7% of the show, which seems like a lot. One Piece has less filler episodes than Bleach (91 including the episodes yet to be aired in the current arc, or 11.6% of the show by the time this arc finishes) while being over twice as long! Naruto is of course in a league of its own on that question but Sam is more than justified in his lumping them together in terms of their approach to filler.


OK, so I might have been very wrong with my statement but still... Comparing Naruto with bleach is almost an offence to every bleach fan, if what we're comparing it the filler content. And about one piece, it might not have that but filler, but this is offset by the fact that Toei drags the living hell out of every action. Some stuff you feel should only take a few seconds when reading the manga, end up taking 1 or 2 episodes...
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zrnzle500



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:11 pm Reply with quote
No doubt about any of that. I don't believe Sam meant to imply that One Piece's approach was necessarily better, just different and with its own strengths (less pure filler) and weaknesses (stretching the material to excess at times). There is also a third approach to this dilemma in long-running shonen that Gintama and Fairy Tail use, which is hiatuses, though moreso for Gintama, as Fairy Tail has only done that once (twice if the TV series returns), which is a risky strategy as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:22 pm Reply with quote
Who's worse, Zappa or Sanji?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:07 am Reply with quote
Chopper was beyond adorable in this episode Very Happy
Also i don't mind the pacing i you are reading the manga you kind of want to have the anime be a little more, it's what i watch on sunday mornings for years now so i don't even think about it.
I would never drop the anime no matter what !!!
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:06 pm Reply with quote
I agree with Sam about these last two episodes being very enjoyable, even if not a whole lot of import was accomplished in them. I think he's noted in the past how Toei seems to be at their best at the start of new arcs, when there's presumably staff enthusiasm for new content and they haven't yet gotten too bogged down in dragging out the manga chapters for far too long. (For God's sake, would it have killed them to have made that filler arc even a few more episodes longer, just to snag a bit more breathing room?) A lot of fun moments in this last one: Chopper being buried under Sanji's porn stash and everyone interjecting with mournful "Yum!"s while discussing Luffy's almost-dead state both got me. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:29 am Reply with quote
I'm not bothered by the pacing so far of the new arc either. An interesting new setting and characters don't hurt, especially seeing more of one of the Emperors and their territory. I'd been prioritizing Super over this for some time, but since the beginning of this arc I've been watching this first. We'll see how long this lasts but it is going well so far.

I would agree that Reiju has been a...very effective weapon on the show's behalf. I didn't really think much of her when I saw the designs, but between seeing her in action and Michiko Neya's sultry performance, I find myself very enamored, putting aside any differences in taste between me and Oda.
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#844391



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:06 pm Reply with quote
Gee, this Pudding girl seems so nice and genuine. How does she belong to a family like Big Mom's? (Pause for dramatic irony.)

Really subtle Sam hehe

Anyway, I was really surprised that they had a singing introduction to Bib Mom's official reveal, that was nice to see although as the reviewer mentioned, the animation felt like it was coming from another series. In addition, Big Mom's voice sounds really different from when she was talking to Luffy back on fishman island. Maybe because she's singing.

Anyway, took a break from one piece when the last filler started, glad to see it's back on track.
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Sam Leach



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 12:04 am Reply with quote
#844391 wrote:
Gee, this Pudding girl seems so nice and genuine. How does she belong to a family like Big Mom's? (Pause for dramatic irony.)

Really subtle Sam hehe

Anyway, I was really surprised that they had a singing introduction to Bib Mom's official reveal, that was nice to see although as the reviewer mentioned, the animation felt like it was coming from another series. In addition, Big Mom's voice sounds really different from when she was talking to Luffy back on fishman island. Maybe because she's singing.

Anyway, took a break from one piece when the last filler started, glad to see it's back on track.


Big Mom's voice was indeed recast since Fishman Island. Though, if you listen to her at the end, her speaking voice is fairly similar to the old one.
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