Forum - View topicReally? My post was taken down?
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shukujo
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I posted about Scott Freeman's arrest earlier, and it was no flippant comment - I mean, I quoted the US Dept of Justice website, fer Pity's sake.
Apparently my post has been removed, which is simply shocking to me. I only posted after reading over and over and over in the original thread the misinformation that one cannot be arrested in the US for drawings or cartoons deemed to be child porn. Under Federal Law, YOU CAN be arrested for this. I guess my REAL mistake was in my belief that ANN is even remotely interested in Freedom of Speech, not to mention making sure CORRECT information is being transmitted thru the site. ANN used to be a site I recommended to people on a daily basis, but I can't do that anymore if what just happened to my post has become SOP here. That's quite a disappointment. |
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getchman
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well, you did post this in the talkback thread, something your not supposed to do. its meant only for articles posted by the ANN editorial staff.
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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You attempted to reopen a thread that had been locked for further discussion. The board administration - me, in fact - closed the thread. It was not open anymore. You don't get to reopen it because you feel like it, that isn't how it works around here.
This is pretty easy to understand. When they turn off the speakers and close the stage, it is no longer available for you to perform on. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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You were surprised that the discussion thread was locked and now you are shocked that your own thread was removed. You seem to be easily confounded by things that are obvious to other people. The discussion thread was a disaster, as I knew it would become when it was only five posts old. In fact, as soon as I saw the news article pop up I braced myself for the incoming onslaught. That the mods wouldn't even clean up clearly off-topic stuff like the anti-dub rants didn't help either. But ultimately the real issue was people defending the man on what he had admitted to doing. (Yeah, it might have been just hentai, but what are the chances that they were drawings and ANN failed to report that? Pretty effing unlikely.) Then it got worse, with peeps getting into age of consent bickering and trying to justify that twelve-year-old children are fair game. OMFG. You could almost hear the vomit bags being filled, such was people's disgust. Your thread on the other hand was locked for a much simpler reason; it was a clear violation of the "don't restart a locked thread" rule. I get that you wanted to have a say in the thread and it was locked before you could. But it was active for a smidgen under three days. That's a long while for a thread that messed up to be open for business. Plenty of time for you to check the site, think up a response and post it. If you don't check the forums that often then that's unfortunate for you. But at any rate a lock is a lock, and the thread was closed and that means the discussion is closed. If there's another article on the subject then go hard, but unless that happens you'll just have to talk about it somewhere else. |
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Tempest
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Freedom of speech is extremely important to me. However on ANN we've been forced to recognize that there needs to be some limitations on that freedom here. People are free to say anything they want in their own forums, but we have a few rules here. These rules are mostly designed to keep the forums friendly and intelligent. People are allowed to express any opinion as long as it is on-topic, and expressed politely (and polite don't mean simply mean "without vulgarity"). Unfortunately, when a thread devolves to the point that the above rules are not being followed at all, and it becomes impossible for the moderators to get it back on track, we lock the thread. Once a thread is locked, that's it, it can't be re-opened. If people could reopen topics however they see fit, they would constantly re-open the locked threads and whatever crap was polluting the original thread would quickly pollute the new thread. Your post was perfectly fine in and of itself. But I guaranty that within one hour it would have been filled with replies very similar to what was going on in the original thread. And regardless of whether or not you are right regarding your understanding of the laws on child-porn, various people would have continued to repeat their dissenting, often baseless opinions with intensity. So yes, that's why we lock thread, and why they stay locked. I wish we didn't have to lock them, I really do. |
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nobahn
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Granted, I haven't been paying sharp attention to ANN these past few days; but even so, I don't recall offhand seeing a report on that particular thread. Maybe someone did report it, but I cannot emphasize enough that that moderators cannot read all of the threads all of the time. So please; when in doubt, report it -- and if you're not in doubt, then PM the moderators as well. I cannot emphasize this enough -- moderators have to manually check the Forum Reports page; and it's a Royal PITA. (I would ask Dan DeLorme to fix it so that moderators can -- if they want -- receive email alerts when a report is received, but the man is seriously overloaded with requests as it is.) |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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The reason I didn't report the off-topic posts was because, well, I thought they'd already been reported. And it's entirely possible that everyone else thought the same. Just as moderators have to manually check the reports page, users have to manually hit the report button to see if the post has already been reported or not. It's not much work - just one click of one button to find out - but it's all too easy to make an assumption that it has been and continue scrolling through the thread. As you say, Daniel DeLorme is swamped with work, so I'm not expecting this to ever be implemented. But if there was a visual indication (either text, or highlighting colours, or some sort of symbol) that a post has been reported, then that would go down a treat. Not only would it immediately tell users if a dubious post hasn't been reported yet, but it would be a badge of dishonour that might - might - encourage people to be nicer so that they don't get publicly shamed. While such a feature could possibly get abused by those with a vendetta against another user, the mods could deal with anyone who reported legitimate posts too often. |
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nobahn
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Sadly, we cannot.  All registered users can, unfortunately, abuse the "Report Post" icon with impunity. (The exceptions to this rule are the users who have been banned.)
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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To expand on this even users on moderation can still report posts. Just in case anyone was curious. Your own posts won't show up until they are approved but you can still report posts til the cows come home. Mind you excessive dubious reporting of posts (personal vendettas, childish bickering, etc.) is a quick way to get your own posts monitored. So we do encourage people to use the report button, but please make sure it's a legitimate report. And for the love of god in heaven give us more than just "troll" or "being rude" in the report itself. Just one sentence at least please.
I've used other forums with more updated forum databases/versions/etc and I have yet to see one where such a feature is present. Plus honestly I would be against it. If such a feature existed yes it would make knowing if a post was reported easier (by all of 3 seconds) but it was also serve as a form of public humiliation. Every user, including that user in question, would know. I think such a feature would serve more to create more tension and animosity than it would help. Just my personal opinion. Plus as you said it only takes 1 click of a button as it is. As I said though I have yet to see such a feature myself (not as if I've seen every type of forum out there so maybe it does exist) anyways so that's moot for now anyways. As for the assumption of a post being reported, as the saying goes better safe than sorry. Plus if I am not mistaken once the report is closed out the same post could be re-reported as well correct? There may be times we as mods decide a post is close but does not cross a line and we leave it and close out a report. Now if as a mod I were to see a 2nd or 3rd report of the same post well that would be a clear indicator perhaps it's more egregious than previously thought. So back to the better safe than sorry idea.
As a mod I want to say I take no pleasure in locking threads or warning users. None of us do despite what some might think. We'd be so much happier if we could hop online and see everyone singing around the campfire and being happy. Wishful thinking. The reason that thread in particular was allowed to go as long as it did was because of that very desire. We try our best to not limit people's ability to speak their mind. We try to give topics the most time we can to get back no track or play out. Trust me when I say if we were all quick draws with the lock function Zac would tell us so. The simple fact is unfortunately many people can't seem to follow the most important rule here. Be polite to others. Everyone has a bad day, that's understandable. We allow for the occasional mulligan so to speak. When people go OT we're more apt to simply guide people back on topic, as opposed to locking a thread, if everyone was being civil and polite. The fact is though there is a line between allowing people to speak their mind and allowing them to simply run their mouth and become a detriment to the discussion and forum. |
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Dessa
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Huh, I could have sworn that phpBB2 highlighted in red forums that had reports, or at least put a "!" icon in front of the threads, when viewed by a moderator (clicking the "!" takes you straight to the reported post, or at least the first one). Maybe I'm mistaken, though, and it's phpBB3 that did that, not 2. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Not to start a debate here, but I have been on a website where a reporting method similar to what has been suggested has been implemented. Whenever a post has been reported, a message appears to indicate that that post has been addressed, if the moderator found any offensive comments within it. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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This is kind of late, but I figured I should mention it since I see people often throwing around the Freedom of Speech/1st Amendment argument in situations like this.
People need to understand that the concept of Freedom of Speech is really only applicable to government action. Thus, if ANN were some kind of forum run by a state owned University for example, and someone said "You aren't allowed to talk about issue X," you would probably have a legitimate claim about Freedom of Speech. However, ANN is a private website that you are being allowed to use for commercial reasons. I am sure that the people who run/moderate the site believe in the concept of Freedom of Speech in general, but it is not a requirement here whatsoever. You aren't the first person to get your thread locked or post removed or whatever. It happens. However, what's important (from a purely customer relations standpoint) is that you and mods can come to some understanding about why it happened and you can understand what the rules are and how to stay within them, because at the end of the day, ANN Rules don't have to = U.S. Constitution. If there can't be an understanding in that regard, then maybe you can create your own website with your own rules or use a website that is more in line with your ideal rules. That's generally how I look at things. If you have a dispute, try to see if you can come to an understanding about it with the mod(s) and things can move forward from there. If there's good "customer service," you'll get a response. That has clearly happened here. |
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