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Jabberwock
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You said nothing else then what both I and HitokiriShadow said. Buy it where you can get the best price for it, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE (I can write in a whole bunch of caps too!) If Suncoast/FYE has a special/deal/discount or whatever that gets the price down to a reasonable level, by all means buy some stuff from them. Without any of these though, their prices suck. FYE was not the only store that had NGE Platinum singles, and was obviously not the cheapest. Best Buy can also sell its items for cheaper, not just it’s DVDs, because they are so large that they have a Wal-Mart effect (can't remember the actual term). That is, they are able to buy so much merchandise at a time that they get large discounts and can have lower margins because they sell so much more than a place like FYE or Suncoast. It’s not just the fact that if you go into their store you might also buy something else other then a DVD. Honestly, your whining about how it’s so wrong to tell people to shop at Best Buy instead of more expensive place just makes it seem like you have some sort of vendetta against them, since you don't have a real argument. Not to mention the fact that if Suncoast has it and other B&M stores don't, it will probably be online for a much better price. Not saying the internet won’t have better prices than Best Buy also, but they won’t be that much better as compared to Suncoast and FYE’s outrageous prices. |
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Daemonblue
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I didn't bother seeing if anyone has already said this - I don't feel like reading all 9 pages - but I personally think the rant was rather....stupid.
Point one, fanservice is there for the fans, it draws in people at whom the show is aimed. That alone gives it a reason to be there. Point two, I know this one was said before, but I'll sa it again, if you don't like it, don't watch it. I loathe people that speak out against something and try to get it removed and/or banned just because they don't like it, yes, I'm looking at you Christian Anime Alliance and Kate Mannings. Point three....I'm pretty sure she's not that tall, you might want to check your information again. On that note, female anime characters are already out of proportion compared to real females, the first few pages in your average "How to Draw Manga" book tells you this. The bosom is intentionally made to protrude from the body, even if it's rather small, and there is almost alway a little space between the legs close to the crotch. I'm pretty sure that, unless the woman has really thin thighs and at least size F, that that wouldn't happen normally. It's one of the idealisms in drawing female anime characters, the fans realize that this kind of person has a lower probability to exist than your average Jane Doe, they also know that this is FAKE, as in NOT REAL. As for how teens are drawn, they are drawn as a mix between a child (their height and certain other proportions) and an adult (also certain other proportions). This is the time in their life when their body is changing and it would be hard to draw something that would look exactly like a real woman would, so it's a general rule to use certain aspects of both child and adult, such as handsize, foot size, height, neck length, how broad her shoulders are, etc. Given this, it's somewhat easy to see why adolescent women in anime look somewhat like shorter grown woman, it's because they were drawn to look as such for simplicity on both the animator's part and the original character designer. Final point, only an idiot would believe fanservice that includes adolescents in anime would turn anyone into a child molestor or anyone of the sort. People watch this things in anime because they know it's not legal to do it in the real world, it doesn't mean they'll actually go do it. It's like the whole debate with (and I hate to bring it up) lolicon. Lolicon doesn't drive people to go to elementary schools and pick up a few children, it's the screwed up person's mind (and the car) that drives them to do it. Same with fanservice, watching fanservice of adolescents doesn't drive one to go around getting as many upskirt shots you can get at a middle/high school, it's your own mind that does it, and if you can't control your own mind, then you shouldn't be complaining about other people doing it. The fault lies not in the fanservice, but in those that are stupid enough to think that this fanservice says "It's ok to rape children," or "It's ok to sneak a peek." Fanserivce is just another one of the ways they can get their somewhat weird needs out. Now I'm not saying all of those who look at lolicon or fanservice are freaks that should hang themselves, I'm just saying those that act out what they see in something that IS NOT REAL in the real world should just stare at their hand for a second.....and then beat their head open with a lead pipe. It might knock some sense about reality into their head...or kill them....both will suffice. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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You know something, I think I'm going to start handing out 1 or 2 day bans for this. I don't care if you "didn't feel like reading all 9 pages". If you have something to contribute, read what other people said first. I don't want to read 4 paragraphs of whatever it is you're saying if you're just restating what someone else already said, especially if you willfully ignored what everyone else said on the issue. Furthermore, if you don't care what other people have to say on the issue, why should anyone care what you have to say? This isn't your blog. It's a discussion. If you want to contribute, listen to the other people in the discussion. |
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mistress_reebi
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Yes, anime proportions are off, but do women need to have a size H bra size when their waist is extremely tiny? I don't think the ranter wants to have all fanservice banned. Even though fanservice may not turn someone into a child molester, what's the point in a non-child molester watching lolicon? Only people with sick twisted minds think it's arousing to find children being raped, animated or in real life. If one watches lolicon continuously than they have a problem, even if they aren't commiting the acts, they are still aroused by watching children being raped. |
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Richard J.
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Personally, I'd be more worried about the rail-thin runway models or the enhanced breats, bleached blonds in Playboy giving people the wrong idea of what women are supposed to look like. These are real-life examples of self-made human caricatures after all and considerably more influencial than anime no matter how you look at it. As I previously stated, fictional characters don't effect my view of the world at all.
Obsessing over anything is a problem, but you can't just act like everyone who watches something like lolicon hentai is a perverted freak who is a danger to society. You're talking about something that isn't real; anime is completely unreal, except for people's voices. If you start condemning works of fiction for the crimes that real people commit, you'll find yourself without any works of fiction after a while. Besides, numerous experts in the field of criminal profiling have found no direct link between things like violent or pornographic fiction and real-life crime. At most, they've found that criminals occasionally borrow from the plots of fictional crimes for their own criminal acts. There is no direct evidence that watching or reading these things made them commit the crimes. My source for this are books written by John Douglas, one of the founders of modern criminal profiling. Consider the enormous amount of lolicon hentai material in Japan. Despite how much there is, the number of rapes of children is fairly low. Obviously there must be a lot of people buying these works of fiction who never actually commit a crime. It's also important to remember that most abuse of children, sexual or otherwise, occurs within the family, meaning that the causes are often based on hatred of one's family rather than sexual desire. |
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Daemonblue
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I can understand what you're saying, and it's not like I was ignoring other people's posts, I just didn't really have the time at that moment to both type that and read all of the previous posts, though I did read the first page and skimmed through some of the posts (I'm a rather slow reader when it comes to things withs lots of lines such as paragraphs and very long posts, unfortunately). I didn't mean it to come off as if I didn't care what other people thought about the issue, but rather that I was rushed at that moment, so I skimmed through a few posts and got a grasp of the general discussion and added some parts of my own. Issues such as this one seem to be very two-sided, so you'll see people mostly restating what someone else said and adding more to it. This can be seen in several other discussions, even though they may have less support, such as sub vs dub. Each side basically restates what others from that side have already stated, and you'll sometimes get a little more input (I know, bad example seeing as both sides should get over it and watch it how they prefer it). The two sides for this one is simply fanservice and no-fanservice, the fanservice side will basically say the same thing over and over with a little more info, while the no-fanservice side will say what they think over and over and maybe throw in something else every now and then. It's just something doomed to these kinds of discussion, once so much has been put forth, you can't really put forth more, you can only reword what someone else has said. @reebi - That's why I hated to bring up the lolicon issue, though it was the only one I could think of at the time. Personally, I support it to a certain extent, not because I enjoy it, but rather because there's no laws against it where it's produced and I prefer not having laws about something that is imaginary or very unlikely to happen (such as how it's legal to shoot a whale from a moving car in Tennessee). Now, I'm not saying that those who actually do these acts to real girls should get off easily, they should be punished for their crimes, but I am saying that it's ok for people to think about it and whatnot if it's not with a real person. This can probably also be affected by where I live though since there are several people who go to my high school that look like they belong in elementary, meaning that this is pretty much what I see daily (minus the actual act, though from what I hear that happened a lot before they installed the cameras). I personally think people who prefer lolicon aren't necessarily into it because it's young children, but rather because it looks normal for where they live. If someone is raised in an area where all the girls are at most 5 ft tall and are taught that girls with smaller bodies are attractive, then they would find loli perfectly fine since most of the girls around him are within that body size range. It's one of those things that can be argued over and over and you'll never get anywhere, which is why I say just leave it as is, you can always arrest those that inflict harm on real peopleor are thinking of doing it, but you can't really say "That's a child in that picture," when it's a drawing, unless it's completely obvious (such as the girl being 2-3 ft tall), and even then the original artist decides the age of the person in the image (look at all of the painting in which the angels are babies...how old are they?). I know I got completely off track with that reply...it tends to happen a lot to me. Other than that...mostly in lolicon the only "rape" I see is by law in that it's considered rape to do it with a minor (carnal knowledge etc.). Then again, I'm not someone who's very acquainted with the material in question, so there might be more in which there is serious rape (as in what is referenced to when it happens to an adult). I feel like I just wrote an essay...speaking of which I forgot about the Hamlet essay due tommorrow >< Edit: Since I was typing this as Richard was posting...you put up a very good point there and I agree with that...though profiling is illegal, which is one of the inconsistencies with the FBI. |
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Yujinbito
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Interestingly enough, in February of 2007 Milan (apparently the fashion capital of the world) will require models to carry a "certificate of health" stating that they are of a healthy body mass.
There are people for whom the escapism is complete. I am certain that people like those in the link exist in the anime world too (just not as organized); I've got a feeling that hikikomori should fit into this conversation, but I don't know enough to bring them in. To backtrack on some of the things I said earlier, it's total escapism that I find most harmful. And some people who can't get along with the opposite sex will find solace in the world of ecchi, H, yaoi, or whatver and give up on real people entirely. That's what bothers me. And while there may not be anything *wrong*, objectively and in terms of damage done to others, with a 45 year old man devoting his waking hours to underage hentai, well.... it's distinctly not *right* either. But I suppose my feeling that way is not really valid as anything more than a feeling.
There is even some indication that sex and violence in entertainment decrease sex and violence in the real world.
Very well said! |
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HitokiriShadow
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Whatever SunCoast has anime-wise, you can find elsewhere for cheaper. The only exception would be if they had something that was out of print that they somehow hadn't sold. But the Evangelion Platinum DVDs you used in your example WERE at Best Buy. Pretty much anything recent will be at Best Buy unless earlier volumes of a series didn't sell well. And even if it isn't at the store, you can use the website. If you're paying $30 for a single DVD that isn't a special/limited edition, you are paying too much and can find it for cheaper. Don't complain about the price if you aren't willing to look elsewhere to find it cheaper. |
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Richard J.
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However, on the issue of profiling, you're thinking of racial profiling. Criminal profiling uses a person's personality traits and may include race only as a very small element. For instance, when trying to identify an unknown subject (unsub) who is a serial murderer, it would typically be assumed that the murderer is a white male, because the vast majority of serial murderers are white males. However, the primary parts of the profile would involve the ways the murderer thinks and acts. (There is a rather amazing example of a profile which was accurate down the to the type of clothes the murderer would likely be wearing in normal day-to-day activity.) Race needs to be considered since certain crimes are committed inordinately by specific races. (Serial murderers are mostly white, etc.) However, race must take a backseat to all other elements.
Regardless, obsession is bad no matter what you are obsessed with. Even when you have a relatively large group who completely falls into fantasy, they can't dictate the rules. Otherwise we'd all have to burn our copies of Catcher in the Rye. (It's the book of assassins after all.) I can actually understand people who want to escape from reality. Reality isn't a very fun place for most people. It's boring and filled with problems and sometimes the idea of just staying on the computer all day can sound appealing. People who can't deal with reality will always find a way to escape it though, so again, we can't allow ourselves to curtail individual freedom. I'd much rather have people using porn as an escape than the more typical paths of drugs and alcohol. Porn is far less damaging to the body.
I don't think I've said it before, but I should probably state for the record that I am very much against child abuse in any form. My support of lolicon hentai comes from the fact that I view efforts to suppress it as a form of censorship, which I abhor. My opinions on what should be done to those who hurt children can not be expressed on this forum. The punishment I would dish out to rapists is far from humane and would epitomize "cruel and unusual." 
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crilix
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When you see one fanservice discussion, you've seen them all.
I'd just like to point out that "the next installment of Negima" (it being "Negima!?") so far includes ZERO naked-skin-panty-shot-type fanservice and focuses almost completely on moe/cute-type fanservice. In any case, it is not sexually flavored at all. It's a wonderful representation of Akamatsu Ken's personal beliefs about anime moe and sexuality about which he wrote in his personal blog. |
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Steventheeunuch
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What, you mean the hit-and-miss, confused as hell, undecidedly misinformed one where he couldn't come to a coherant conclusion, and then had the gaul to say "it's been around since the beggining of time!", despite his entire career being essentially that which he said it wasn't? Ken Akamatsu can go to hell tbh. |
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Gauss
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The prostitution law from 1958 already made paid sex illegal. What the law from 1997 did was to change the definitions of sex. In a nutshell the older law said that if no orifices were penetrated then it was legal. The absurdity of this definition is obvious as it didn't take into account, say, lesbians. The updated law basically makes paying for any sexual satisfaction illegal (though there are still some loopholes). This has certainly made work easier for the vice squads who no longer need to catch the illicit couples in the act. Anyway, concerning the rant. We have lived with media objectification for such a long time that I think most people have reached the conclusion that it's fairly harmless. Almost everybody can distinguish between reality and fantasy. Sure it has some influence on people but nothing that makes society collapse. I also think females are increasingly less anxious about guys enjoying pictures of perfect-looking girls. Which is about time, because most guys do speak the truth when they say the real deal (however plain) is a lot hotter than the fantasy. Also, females do enjoy objectification (almost?) as much as men. A study in 2003 found 60% of Swedish females regularly consume porn. The number is way way up from the early nineties and rising. Females shy away from face to face transactions involving porn but anonymous surfing is a whole different ballgame. The implications are quite interesting, not least in that female aversion to porn seems to have grown from social peer pressure rather than being a natural condition. |
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Unholy_Nny
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I think it's less of race and more of social status. The reason why most serial murderers are white, is because they are upper-middle class suberbians.... On the other hand, most gang related violence is commited by monorities, since those are more likely lower class. It also goes by gender too, since most violent acts are commited by males, but most minor thefts(I.E. shoplifting) are commited by females. |
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mistress_reebi
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Still, they are aroused by watching children being raped. Most people who look at child pornography images on the internet are child molesters. Just because it's animated, and not real, doesn't mean it isn't child pornography. What's the point in having lolicon when the only people who are being aroused by children having sex are those with probelms. Normal people know it's wrong to be aroused by children being raped, therefore they do not watch lolicon. They may not commit a crime, but they are aroused by children, which isn't normal and wrong.
Drawings of children being raped is illegal in some countries including Canada. Even if it is imaginary it's still child pornography. If it isn't hentai wouldn't be sold to people an 18+ crowd because drawings aren't real. EDIT
I disagree with ethnicity needs to be considered in crime. There are terrorists in Ireland and different parts of the world. Criminal activities doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity. Sorry for all the edits; the quotes weren't working. |
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voodoomage
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I think most of the people that were fans of Love Hina have moved on at this point and most probably realize that Love Hina isn't that great. That's BS... Love Hina is still the only anime I can turn to consistantly and walk away feeling good... I've seen it at least 30 time and it's still fun to watch... Love Hina is far greater than you give it credit for... |
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