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Mohawk52
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Toshirodragon
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I have to echo the poster who said NO way in hell would s/he write their senator asking for a ban on manga or anime. My senator is ORRIN HATCH for fudge's sake, god know I don't want that idiot doing something else potentially embarassing to us all!
I think it all boils down to using your brains and exercising your authority as a parent. I wouldn't let my four year old watch Pokemon because I felt the boys hit the girl way too much and I wouldn't let him watch DragonballZ. Both series had elements which, at THAT time, I felt were inappropriate for his age and maturity. Now that he is almost 11, I can sit down with him and say "this is improper behavior" or "I dont approve of this person's actions" and he can understand and respond to what I'm saying. Sure some anime is excessively violent, there are several series I stopped watching because the violence bothered me, but I stopped only ME from watching. If you don't want to see the violence stop yourself, but don't try to take my right to watch away. And I'd really have to question the premise that violent anime=violent schoolchildren. Violence in children comes from much deeper sources than their cartoons. I grew up watching Tom & Jerry but I've never attacked, blown up, chopped anyone to pieces. Violent households are far more likely to produce violent children then any amount of ink exploding on the screen. As far as children in warzones, yeah they live there. It's really niave to think that portraying that in an anime is wrong. Children are as patriotic and as willing to die to protect themselves and others as adults. |
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Toshirodragon
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Now I HAVE to clean off my monitor! I flunked one term of English in high school because I refused to read anymore godawful, horribly violent "classical" lit. I mean honestly John Steinbeck is hardly an author to make kids WANT to read! |
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Richard J.
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I'm not a fan of shounen-ai/yaoi but I do very much enjoy shoujo-ai/yuri. I like yuri partially because I just like seeing two females together but also because I find the stories more emotionally stimulating and generally less contrived than the yaoi ones. While I don't mind violence in general, I don't like excessive nihilistic violence in a series and over-reliance on fan service (nudity and sex) isn't a positive either (though I don't view it as necessarily a negative.) I prefer that religious symbols, regardless of the religion, be used correctly. However, these are personal tastes in fiction. I think everyone needs to keep in mind that anime isn't real. Morality shouldn't play a major part in how you view anime because, by virtue of being a fantasy, it can not possess any moral value beyond it's intended purpose. If an anime series is intended to teach a lesson, then that can be evaluated as a moral lesson or an immoral one. If it's just meant to entertain, then you can decide if you feel it's entertaining or not.
Also up on the list of most depressing things to read in school is a sci-fi short story called The Cold Equations (I think I'm remembering the title right.) It's about a stowaway on a critical delivery mission in space. Turns out the ship had it's fuel calibrated for the exact weight of the ship, cargo, and pilot. The ultimate solution in the story is spoiler[to send the poor stowaway girl out the airlock. The only moral I got from that story was "no matter how hard you try, you will fail."] Flowers for Algernon is pretty damned depressing too. Actually, almost everything you read in school is depressing! |
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0utf0xZer0
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I actually would support a ban on trans-fat in my country given the option simply because I'm Canadian, and we have a public health system. Which I normally support, because I think it's helpful for a lot of people... but the drain put on the system by people who just don't care is pretty darn annoying. My mom has a friend who is a cardiac nurse, and she's pretty open about the fact she gets a lot of patients in their 30s and 40s now... and I get the impression she finds it an annoyance too. (Also, technically I think the reason behind a transfat ban is because of the effect on one's arteries, not because it's necessarily any more fattening. But that's a technicality.) On fanservice, since it's come back up again: I'll just openly say I have a bias here because I rather like it, though usually for the humour rather then because it's any sort of "turn on", because... err... most fanservice that attempts to do the latter ends up failing pretty badly. I'm also not too sure how bad an influence it is on kids simply because most fanservicy shows aren't targetted at kids, at least in North American release. Now, that isn't to say teens or even adults can't be impressionable as well, but I often find some of the arguments about the influence of such material seem to assume that people can't think, and that such material HAS to influence them, and that the viewer can't avoid being influenced. I mean, sure, I can see some guy getting a craving to see girl's panties after watching "Shuffle!", but I'm not too convinced that it's that common, and that such content actually convincing someone to do something dispicable because of it is even rarer. The fact that even a few people are influenced negatively can haunt me sometimes, though. I really don't have a solution to that, especially since I am openly anti-censorship... namely because I really enjoy a lot of questionable content myself. While I have a hunch most here would argue that the negative effect of anime on people is very limited, I'm curious as to what level of negative effect you people think it actually can have. I'm guessing you all are probably mature enough not to act like the problem is completely non-existant and chew out anyone who suggests otherwise (sad to say, but I've seen this happen on computer/video game sites). |
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unhealthyman
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A pretty misguided and contradictory rant in my opinion.
Clearly a war torn country in which children are forced to fight is not exactly an ideal environment. How exactly are 'we' doing anything to those children? How exactly did you come to the conclusion that watching something in a film or anime implies that you would want our children to be like that film? When I watch Schindlers List is does not mean that I want to live in Nazi Germany, when I watch Leon (or The Professional) I do not want my daughter to become an assassin. You are supposed to take a moral from what happens in Gunslinger Girls... It is supposed to elicit some thought about the subject... Your reaction isn't supposed to be 'Kickass! I wish my kids were artificially enhanced brainwashed killing machines who will suffer an early death!!'
Well, if you are objecting to 'kids' anime - Naruto, DBZ etc. then perhaps you have a point. But I would like to point out how violent Tom and Jerry is and that is designed for younger children. Look at Itchy and Scratchy from the Simpsons which is parodying this culture of violence. I don't see how this should inspire us to write to our senators to complain about anime (which, incidentally, is a hobby we all clearly enjoy seeing as we are here on this site.) Why not instead complain about violent American TV? South Park is hardly a good role model for a child. If you are worried about kids watching Berserk or Fist of the North Star, then that is what the ratings on the box are supposed to prevent. If your kids are watching stuff they shouldn't, then you clearly let them.
Oh, ok. But you first.
Oh, wait a second... A bit of a 360 turn here... So you DO like violent anime.
Was this just a glib ending? Or do you really think everything you said before was a load of BS? Are you simply mocking us for wasting time reading the rest of the rant up to here? |
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silver_omicron
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Oh Zac, I hate to be that guy but I feel I just gotta speak up.
In your intro you implied a secular Christmas is one that neccessarily shouldn't have any emphasis on the family, or charity. But on the contrary, I think Christmas, whether you spend the morning attending Church, or just opening presents, is about the family and charity regardless, even from the secular point of view. And if for some reason I am wrong, I think it's a good time to start changing that. |
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Fiction Alchemist
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I found the rant crazy confusing myself. Whatever it meant, though, I know that I like my fictional violence. I'm not into that macho blow everything up and fire the machine gun thing, ala so many action movies (if any of YOU are, that's cool too), but I like my violent fiction. Is that really a wrong thing? I used to feel pretty violent myself, but that's because I was an "emo kid" as a result of my homeschooling and over-protection from the world. I have never watched any show or movie that has made me want to hurt anyone.
I'll admit, I watched some DBZ in my youth, and even though it was a cut-up old Frieza saga episode, there was a violent and bloody scene that FUNi could not cut out. I thought "Cool!" I said it. Even so, is that wrong? I was rebelling, dudes. I was rebelling against the established normal. I knew that this sort of thing was "taboo". Everyone rebels at some point, no matter how small that rebellion is. Even so, I never had a desire to go out and start impaling people. It was, of course, my over-protection that brought me down. The internet started to show me how cruel people can be, and I was several years behind on maturing at this point. Those people made me bitter for years, and were what made me feel so much like destroying people. It was a collapse of my imaginary nice-guy world. I'm not kidding when I say that I had NO FRIENDS at any point of my life at the time this happened. Eventually, I saw Trigun when I was 19 years old, and it pretty much changed my views on life. I chose to be affected by the show, and it spoke to me so clearly, that I knew that I would have to grow up. So, basically, this: 1: The only show that ever influenced me, influenced me to be LESS violent and angry, and I allowed it to because I wanted to, and I knew what was right. 2: I was bitter and felt violent because of PEOPLE and my own upbringing, not because of anything on television. 3: I'm not going to homeschool my future kids, nor hide reality from them. 4: "Felt violent" sounds ridiculous, but when you can't actually come in contact with any people, it's hard to BE violent, wouldn't you say? 5: In real life, PEOPLE GET HURT, including children. Stop trying to deny facts. Thank you. I think I'll add a comment about Christmas. I hate it. Well, not really Christmas, but I pretty much hate everything modern Christmas stands for. I always used to hear about it in the TV specials as the time when everyone gets together and all loves each other and everything is peaceful and stuff. All I see is a time where people struggle to buy things, waste a huge amount of resources, kill a ton of trees, create a lot of waste, and get driven into depressions bad enough to make them want to commit suicide (and many do). It just doesn't seem to me like something any of us should be happy about. With every year that passes, Christmas seems less and less like a special time to me. The magic is dead. Welcome to reality, I say. Oh, and trans-fat should be banned completely. It's no different than a company putting arsenic in their food and saying, "You have a choice, now just pick the one you think doesn't have arsenic in it." It's not a matter of freedom here, unless freedom to KILL is a freedom you agree with. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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^^; Well, the point of the list was more joking about what will get the (stero)typical conservitive Christian parent upset, more than me trying to say "You shouldn't watch this, it's evil!" I personally disagree with homosexuality and avoid shows with overt themes of it, but I'm point isn't to tell everyone they have to do the same thing. I guess I'm what people call 'fundimentalist', although I hate being called that because people assume that I'm out blowing up abortion clinics when they hear the phrase. ._. But yeah, nobody take that list seriously, please. ^^; |
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Toshirodragon
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[quote="Richard J
Flowers for Algernon is pretty damned depressing too. Actually, almost everything you read in school is depressing![/quote] I finished that one threw it across the room and SCREAMED at my teacher "NEVER make me read anything so horrid EVER again!" |
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PaladinBlue
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Agreed, especially if you're homeschooled with a "Christian" curriculum. Why? They love Shakespeare, and if there's one thing I know, you can NOT read Shakespeare as a piece of literature and enjoy it. You have to read Shakespeare as a script, and, more than likely, from the perspective of an actor, director, stage manager, or other kind of theatrical staff to be able to enjoy them. That's one reason I'm eagerly awaiting GONZO's RomeoXJuliet. I want to see how these guys, who've successfully translated Seven Samurai and the Count of Monte Cristo into TV series, handle a Shakespeare classic. |
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v1cious
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yep. i can safely say Japan doesn't have a bullying problem 
Evangelion 
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animalia555
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Richard J.
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I wish I had been homeschooled. My mother is a retired school teacher and my father is a lawyer. My education would have been considerably better if I'd been taught by them.
First, we didn't finish Romeo and Juliet. Second, have you ever heard a group of people who can barely read on a fourth grade level trying to read Shakespeare? Ever seen a movie called Renaissance Man with Danny DeVito? My high school class made those guys look like truly gifted Shakespearean actors. I was the only person in the class aside from the teacher who even knew how to pronounce the names correctly. (You don't even want to know how they pronounced some of them.) |
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animefan1238
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my friend saw the One Piece dub when it came to the states and i asked him how it was his reply was, "That might be one the worst dubs I have ever seen."
as for the rant, if someone doesn't like something; don't watch, buy or even pay attention to it. also I don't mind the violent anime/video games. if you don't take the violence seriously (playing GTA and you want to run over a cop  ) you won't be messed up for the rest of your life. some parents let their kids do and get anything. i saw a parent at a EB and bought her son a M vg! i was like "WHAT!?"
lmao! |
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