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whiskeyii
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But...this doesn't sound like censorship. It sounds like Tecmo have been keeping tabs on various gaming scandals surrounding women in gaming and female characters in games, and decided for themselves that they didn't want to bother with releasing a high-profile fanservice-y game in the West. By all accounts, no one pressured them. They decided that the US market wasn't worth the hassle over what they were selling and passed on it. Last edited by whiskeyii on Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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residentgrigo
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Remember the time when Tecmo´s PR tried to sell the possibility of nude mods for DoA 5 on PC by warning that they would never do PC games again if nude modes came out
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That stunt must have worked out great as they are at it again! Why? The actual 3rd "volleyball" game was on the PSP and flopped and the new one is a Vita port up with a PS3 engine underneath so they may have probes selling their crap in the year 2016. So they needed to invent a story and Xtreme 3 now turned into a knight for freedom of speech/sexuality but the current gen version of GTA V (it has full frontal nudity and you get to play as a bisexual rapist), God of War 3 HD (remember that rape relate trophy that got patched out?), MGS V (it uses necrophilia as fan service!) and all the DoA 5 bikini DLC all came out just fine during the last year. The Japanese version of GTA V though got a Z rating but lacked any nudity (or torture). Freedom of speech eh... Xtreme 2 further got a of 12+ in Germany. Expect a digital release in the summer after the PR generated "controversy" had enough time to generate hype and we may even get a "collectors item" physical release with one of the Dead Island manikins packed in. Remember that sales stun? Ah marketing. Never change... (Wake me up when DoA6 or NG 4 come out as these games actually feature worthwhile content underneath the all the PLOT.) Last edited by residentgrigo on Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Paiprince
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And that warrants them blocking affordable access to their games for overseas fans? Because of the perceived backlash that they would get? Hardly. Remember how they marketed the earlier games, one of which was a CM with a bunch of dudes ogling the girls and hiding their boners. If they did release their games in the US, what's gonna happen? Angry soccer moms huffing and thumping back to Gamestop because little Timmy saw the T&A cover at store? If anything else, these "journalists" are just gonna write a mocking article over it and condescendingly give it a bad review along the lines of, "if you want bewbies, just go gewgle porn" and whatever snark they can come up with. We've been dealing with this persistent alteration of content for the sake of "correctness" but to deprive their market of something solely upon baseless assumptions and populist bullying is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. I and a huge chunk of people no longer tolerate such behavior. |
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invalidname
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Aw, man, you had to remind me of the Steambot Chronicles sequel they never finished.
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maoyen
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Finally someone says it. This whole thing's nothing but a scam to drum up sales for a game no one cared about in the first place. Ask yourself: Would you have been talking about this game two weeks ago? |
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Amiantos
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Just google DoA and Sexist then look at the amount of articles about it. They've been pretty much forced to self censor by not bringing it to the west by these people. Those same people now get to say "We didn do nufin, they chose not to bring it." When in reality they were the ones who manufactured a hit squad ready to drag them through the mud while others throw stones. |
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Amiantos
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Niche game with small audience=/= Game no one cares about. Previous version sales would argue that indeed a small group does care about this game. This is by no means a scam either. Make no mistake though Play-Asia did sing and dance to the tune of fed up gamers tired of censorship and forced self censorship by games media and twitter activists. |
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Deus257
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That's all it is really, especially given how poorly rated the first 2 were in the past. Nothing boosts business like controversy, hell look at Play-Asia, the person running the twitter account played the drummed up anger like a Pro, he would probably get hired by Donald Trump to run his Campaign  , though I don't think twitter likes will equate to sales in the end.
Either way, no ones gonna win this fight in the end, Those against the game will lose because it will get released. Those that wanted the game will lose because in the end, they will buy the watered down version without the more risqué stuff with Boring Gameplay, largely ignoring the availability of the Japanese version of the Game on Play-Asia or AmiAmi, while K-T will win in the end because they got free publicity and people will buy it, including my friend who still thinks he can get Leifang and Hitomi to kiss in the game even though I always tell him it will never happen. |
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enurtsol
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Some people believe it's better not to release it than have it censored.
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Mr. Oshawott
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While I have little interest in buying Dead or Alive: Xtreme 3, I'm seriously disheartened that it's destined to be only Japanese-exclusive.
 All simply for the reason that some vocal minority who have an aversion to sexual content is so insistent that the title be censored so that the content will appeal to their personal tastes. Fortunately, the DoAX3 fanbase is working feverishly setting up petitions in an attempt to get KOEI Tecmo to reconsider. I can only wonder what will happen from there.
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Hellsoldier
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To several of these ''social warriors'', a piece of advice: There are real pressing issues at your disposal. The actual violence against women, disparity in wages, inherant forms of sexism in the system, protection of mothers against being fired arbritarily, etc. Censorship shouldn't be one of them. And whilst I believe the market should be more diverse, the presence of these games is equally legit. Censorship gets my middle finger.
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whiskeyii
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Choosing not to bring a game to a specific market is not self-censoring. That's business sense. And people act like it's a minority who "prevented" this game from coming over, when it's honestly more of an industry-wide shift--in other words, a MAJORITY of folks in the industry think women should be portrayed differently. You only have to look at the larger influx of female-centric panels at industry-wide events like GDC to get a feel for that. And the opening speech for the GDC Indie Awards. And the opening speech for the overall GDC awards. So honestly? This feels more like the US market is going through growing pains regarding women in games, and Tecmo just doesn't want to put up with that, so they took their ball and went home.
Yes. Yes, it does. Tecmo owns DOA. They can do whatever they want to do with it. If they don't want to release DOAX3 in the West, that is entirely their prerogative. It is, after all, their IP. You may not agree with their policies (as I disagree with the decision to not localize the Ace Attorney prequel), but they are entirely within their rights to exclude any market they want to. |
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Paiprince
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Again so what? The Japanese gaming industry has already been a punching bag for these guys. Short of reworking themselves to be a bunch of Bethesda or EA clones, there is no way they willl come up with a product without some smart alec writer coming up with an "wtf Japan" article. These are pixels on a screen. No one is being objectified here. And if they feel they are then, I'm sorry but I'd put your emotional maturity on a level of a 10 year old. The "shift" is there because this group thrives on fear mongering and bully tactics to serve their agenda. They're not even above pulling really shady shit like fraud. Anita Sarkeesian is a bonified case example. Business 101: Cater to those who buy your product, not those who won't.
And fans have the right to demand it to be properly localized to the West. It goes both ways, sister. FFS, we live in a free market. Tariffs and blockades shouldn't even exist in this side of the world. |
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whiskeyii
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Not sure what "shift" you mean. If you're insinuating that a vocal minority is responsible for single-handedly preventing a game from coming overseas, then I can only repeat that the industry itself is changing from within, indicating a shift in the majority, not a minority. Otherwise it sounds like you're equating "this group" (and I'm not even sure which group you mean at this point) with something like the Illuminati, some kind of group that's manipulating things behind the scenes. As for your business advice, Tecmo is doing just that: sticking to a domestic market that takes less umbrage with how women are depicted in their media, and marketing their game to them.
Well. Please don't refer to me as "sister". It comes off as very patronizing. Regarding your statement, sure. Demand all you like. I'm not saying that you can't, nor that you shouldn't. I'm just saying Tecmo has no obligation to listen to you, and that they have so far decided not to make DOAX3 available in this market. Last edited by whiskeyii on Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Chagen46
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Best part about this "controversy" is that I have not seen a SINGLE Space Jam Wizard actually boycott or complain about DOAEX3.
This entire tempest-in-a-teapot is a manufactured nontroversy. Given that it's whipped all the reactionary manchildren into throwing a tantrum it's worked pretty damn well. Gotta love how gamers love screaming at imaginary boogeymen.
Everything about this post is fractally wrong to such an extent I wonder how a sentient human being could have written it and thought they were making the slightest modicum of a point. {In the future, please identify the user that you are quoting. Thank you. ~nobahn} |
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