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EP. REVIEW: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond Is Unbreakable

The impression I got from Stands is that most of them are non-sentient, with the Stand user mentally willing all of a Stand's movements or setting it on a robotic autopilot. Stands are treated as an extension of the user, the way how some Stand users talk through their Stands like Aqua Necklace and Chili Pepper.

I'm not entirely clear on how Echoes creates its powers fairly independently of Koichi, but everything it does is still related to at least one thought of Koichi's. I would guess that it's due to Koichi not having full understanding of Echoes' Act 2 abilities. You see something similar at the beginning of Stardust Crusaders, when Jotaro is in that jail cell: Star Platinum acts pretty independently of Jotaro, but when Jotaro learns to control his Stand through Avdol's training, Star Platinum stops doing that entirely and does only what Jotaro wants it to do. (Makes me wonder what kind of destructive actions Stands like The Sun or The Hand did before their users gained control of them.)

leafy sea dragon wrote:

The impression I got from Stands is that most of them are non-sentient, with the Stand user mentally willing all of a Stand's movements or setting it on a robotic autopilot. Stands are treated as an extension of the user, the way how some Stand users talk through their Stands like Aqua Necklace and Chili Pepper. I'm not entirely clear on how Echoes creates its powers fairly independently of Koichi, but everything it does is still related to at least one thought of Koichi's. I would guess that it's due to Koichi not having full understanding of Echoes' Act 2 abilities. You see something similar at the beginning of Stardust Crusaders, when Jotaro is in that jail cell: Star Platinum acts pretty independently of Jotaro, but when Jotaro learns to control his Stand through Avdol's training, Star Platinum stops doing that entirely and does only what Jotaro wants it to do. (Makes me wonder what kind of destructive actions Stands like The Sun or The Hand did before their users gained control of them.)

Well, leafy, there is an example of Stands being destructive before their users could fully control them.

Brief spoilers follow. In Vento Aureo/Part 5, one of the main characters is a Stand user. It's shown that his Stand has incredible destructive capabilities. However, it is revealed that the user has no actual control over his Stand. Based on as much as I can remember, he has no real bearing on his Stand to a point where he can't even see his own Stand. In fact, the Stand is also sentient and has its own quirks that are actually somewhat detrimental to the user (as he can't do anything about it). Fellow Jojo nerds, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Why would he not be able to see his Stand? He can see his Stand just fine. What he can't do is release it, that's likely the only control he has on it, other than that, his Stand is totally out of control. There are other Stands with a somewhat clear personaliy, other of the main characters in part 5 does, and at some point there is other that does have personality too. There is at least one Stand with personality in part 6, and there is probably one in part 7 too.

In part 4 there is one at least too, and it's a very obvious one and my personal favorite.

Also, it's not that Star Platinum did whatever it wanted. Jotaro unconsciously wanted it to do that, but he didn't know he was using a Stand, so he thought an evil spirit possessed him. He didn't want to steal stuff or beat people that hard, but his Stand took his unconscious will as orders and did it anyway. The only moment that Star Platinum could be acting on it's own when it's self-preservation is triggered.

Ahh. Forgive me for my mistake. I must have mistaken that Stand user quirk for another Stand user's. Again, pardon me, good sir.

Also, leafy, glad to see you're enjoying Part 4. It's more of a light hearted romp in comparison to all of the other parts of Jojo in my opinion. To answer your question about the independent Stand, I'd say it's spoiler[Cheap Trick, as it actively kills it users and then goes on to possess other users to kill them (based on a general consensus of its abilities).] Then again, I wouldn't say it's an obvious one so Valhern might be talking about a different independent Stand that I'm forgetting. Also, have you read through Part 4? I get the impression that you've gone through about half of the manga considering you know of spoiler[Atom Heart Father].[/spoiler]

@leafy sea dragon. About that Stand, I don't know how much into Part 4 you are, but to prevent spoilers, I'll just say that it is not an independent Stand. It's actually a Stand bound to the user's soul, it doesn't have any particular form, it's just the user using it's powers. The same applies to Yukako's Love Deluxe, as you see, it's got no external form, it's bound to her hair. The personality seen is actually just the user using it's Stand. Anubis is a Stand bound to a sword, but Anubis does take form and thought, it just uses the sword to dominate a person and use its powers.

@herald. Nothing to fret over, there are too many details in JoJo so easy to forget. The Stand I'm talking about is spoiler[Echoes Act 3].

Okay 1. how dare you not want the EDM remix of Crazy Noisy Bizarre Town to stick around? It's so much better than the original. And 2. how could you fail to mention that, in this episode, a cute puppy does not die and simply has his indigestion cured?

(Before anyone jumps on me the admonishing tone of this post is a joke)

feuerwerke wrote:

Okay 1. how dare you not want the EDM remix of Crazy Noisy Bizarre Town to stick around? It's so much better than the original. And 2. how could you fail to mention that, in this episode, a cute puppy does not die and simply has his indigestion cured? (Before anyone jumps on me the admonishing tone of this post is a joke)

I would hope so the EDM version of CNBT is.....not as good as the original.