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GATSU
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Malintex:
I was referring to the kids who watch FOX Box.
So instead of re-releasing the original arcs in less bastardized forms, 4Kids chose to release later arcs which only served to confuse and alienate the Toonami crowd not familiar with the story in general. Much like Nelvana and CCS, 4Kids thought they could sell a show with a story as a series of interchangeable episodes.
Brits don't get much as much anime as Americans, so they'll take whatever is available.
Sorry, but if Family Guy and Futurama got dumped on CN the way OP did, those shows wouldn't be renewed, either.
The problem with OP is it's not really an action-oriented series. If you're going to try to sell it to them, you have to present it within its context, so they can make a more informed decision.
Yes and no. In terms of ratings, UM appears to have been a success, but in terms of merchandise, the dvds have been indefinitely discontinued while the manga now has four month delays between each volume.
I'm guessing they were saving up for Naruto and Prince of Tennis.
True, but it's easier to cross-promote the manga once the anime gets released.
I don't think the manga's "failed". My feeling is Viz is just looking for the right time to give it a long-term release without adding to the glut. As you pointed out, UM was a hit on tv, but it took Viz about a year or so after the Jump preview to put out the first book.
OP didn't really seem to have that much hype here in the first place. It was one of those series which was appealing to those who were in-the-know, but it wasn't a show which could easily cross over to those who weren't in on the "joke". Let's just say it remains stuck in its own world-much like its fans. I think Slam Dunk doesn't do that well, because of the fact that American kids are more overweight than those in the rest of the world. Sports seems to be a turn-off to them, and I don't entirely blame them, when jerks like Zidane are a dime a dozen over here.
Not as much as the Evangelion fandom. Though OP is almost as annoying... penguin:
Hey, if Right Stuf was willing to buy the second season of Super Gals, anything's possible. Last edited by GATSU on Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:00 am; edited 2 times in total |
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SharinganEyes92
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Whoo, just pulled an all-nighter, and I can barely keep my eyes open.
Good column this week, Zac! I loved the puppy! Puppies are adorable! Kittens are kinda'.... not so cute. You should definitely have more puppies . Time to go get ready for school now.... |
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tkwelge
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Wow! I keep reading more people who think that the rant was great. I suppose it's a good rant from a minimalistic libertarian view (specifically for those who love to here people agree with them), but I found it hollow. I equally hated the rants by the people who were against the "over abundance of nudity and violence in anime, " and I think that the real issue is art. If something clearly has no redeaming quality, then it should be treated more harshly. However, almost all of the anime that I have seen has enough redeaming quality, in my opinion, that targeting anime for censorship seems unreasonable. Yes, sometimes anime does include what I would consider "stupid" violence or sexuality for the sake of nothing, but a lot of good anime was mentioned as being overly violent and sexual, such as evangelion.
Now, evangelion did come close to drawing many lines (never crossed, just came dangerously close), but it was such a good show with real meaning and artistic sensibility. The "sexuality" was important, because it helped you understand the awkward adolescent feelings that Shinji was experiencing (while never becoming pornographic), and the violence grounded the show in reality (while never existing for the pure sake of filling up tv time). I believe that Anno was purposely trying to take the "school kids saving the world" cliche (in addition to many others) and flip it on it's head in a way that forces one to reexamine their outlook on the world. If a show is a beautiful masterpiece, how can you deprive the world of its splendor. (If you didn't like evangelion, insert any good show/movie that you thought was great, but other people hated for some stupid reason, ie it's too violent, or it's too sexual, etc.) I believe that we should take a libertarian approach to censorship, for the most part, but I believe that it's important to seperate and remove the mindless shit. I prefer that the consumer do that, rather than the government, but sometimes we have to draw a line.I am going to repeat, that I am against most censorship, but although it would be very difficult for me to make a logical argument for how censorship is necessary, it is important to remember that people don't act logically. I think that censorship fills a very important sociological role in society that shouldn't be ignored. I doubt I will get many people on the internet to agree with me, but that seems reasonable to me. |
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Eos
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She's the daughter of Fantine, who Jean Valjean promises to take care of after she dies (he takes her away from the inn keeper). Much later when she's grown, she falls in love with Marcus. Les Miserables could be good anime if done well, but giving Cosette saucer eyes is a step in the wrong direction. |
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aorta
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More literature anime:
Emily of New Moon by Lucy Maud Montgomery (of Anne of Green Gables fame) is being made into an anime. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/anime/emily/
http://animenewsi.com/index.php?catid=245&itemid=9939 |
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britannicamoore
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Several things starting from the bottom. 1. OP fans do have a right to be bitter. Rabid? Hardly. Key points in the show were edited out or turned into icebergs. People appeared and disappered at random. How the heck can you spoiler[stab someone through the chest and edit it to where they're lying on top of you metal hook?] They basically made the show stupid. Editing out guns, enimies. I think that the Little Havana Arc would have gotten some people hooked. But wait- no one saw it. 2. Naurto doesn't talk about Ninja politcs between nations? I could have sworn in a fe wof the manga reviews here on ANN they even mentioned that it was just a bunch of talking. heck, doesn't a majority of anime talk about relationships, tactics or engage in "slice-of-life" stuff like eating food or flirting? I'm sure naruto is often chowing down on ramen like a fiend. Or Sakura likes Sauske. 3. I think the Japanese form would have done a lot better. I mean what with the huge recent love of Pirates in the last three years I think it might have caught on. I turly think you're ignoring that the show was butchered. yes its a kids manga in JAPAN. But here, it would have had to been a PG show and not for 7 and up. A midnight slot or 11:30 slot on CN would have done it justice or at least a company who didn't think kids werre stupid. Looking at the charcters maybe I did expect them tojump around- oh wait htey did. They often X w/ their hands at suggestions, upset each other comically and laughed/stared in awe at Luffy eating way to much. I honestly think your haterd for the show is blinding you because you seem to be ignoring cold hard facts. I'm not a dub basher. I watch dubs. I watch subs. I just like One Piece and it burns me when I see what 4kids did. |
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Mohawk52
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Kouji
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I think the rant of this week missed the point of last week's rant which wasn't that "OMG, violence in anime = ebil!", but that it was a satirical rant about the hypocrisy of the supposed lack of complaints regarding violence in anime compared to the complaints about fanservice in anime.....
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lady_kikyou01
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i totally agree with this week's rant. being parents and anime fans ourselves, my husband and i have run into this. we like to watch some of the kid friendly anime with our 5 year old. however, there is no way we would allow him to watch Basilisk, Bleach, Samurai 7, etc. with us. it's bad enough letting him watch the butchered Naruto on Cartoon Netowork and being embarassed when he tries to explain Naruto's sexy jutsu to his great-grandma! (that was fun) the same goes for video games. it is the parents' responsibility to watch what their kids are doing!
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Calculusman
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The problem is who gets to determine whether a particular work of art has any redeeming qualities or not. One work of art - whether it is art, a play, movie, etc. may be complete trash to you but a masterpiece to me (or vice versa). I can understand having regulations for things shown on broadcast tv, given that they are "the public airways," but the belief that congress should somehow step in and regulate movies, tv shows, plays, art, whatever which people only go to see under their own volition is stupid. That's hardly a libertarian view (well, I mean it is, but saying that it's the "libertarian view" makes it sound out of the mainstream). |
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ArielTsuki
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Yeah, but that rant wasn't written well in terms of what point he was trying to get across. That was it's problem. I didn't see it myself after reading it throughly about 4 times to see the point. You need to make an essay that's clear on its objectives, especially when most people will only read it once, last week's rant didn't. But I do agree with this rant. It's not hard to avoid the racier titles if you try. Also, although there should be some regulation on material on basic cable and national TV, that's should be all the goverment doing. Parent should be able to take care the rest. |
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Eos
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I know why they did, to make the focus of the story be "don't you feel sorry for Cosette?" I'm just saying I'd rather an adaptation that doesn't center around her but tries to drawn in more from the book. |
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RaphaYagami
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The full title is: "Les Miserables - Shoujo Cosette", so the story will indeed, revolve around her. |
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Kikyo98
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My reply is mostly to One Piece. I think to say the series will never get picked up again even after 2009 just because 4Kids dropped it is totally unreasonible. Firstly, it's failure could have been a number of issues I think, let's face facts how heavy the editting truely was. They had to replace Sanji's cigarette with a sucker for crying out loud and you can only cut out so much until you start to totally mangle shows. Secondly, you can't compare DBZ with One Piece, they're made by two totally different companies and aimmed to two totally different audiences. It's obivious DBZ was aimmed towards older kids/teens, after all in most of the movies had heavy metal soundtracks in them. And I don't ever recall 4Kids using CREED as an opening song to Mew Power. Most of the people who read Shonen Jump Are teens, because it's rated teen really. So it's no wonder why they didn't watch it, any teenager watching this for five minutes would probably end up vomitting. Not to mention the manga sales themselves, if they're in demand then there is a market for One Piece. It might not be as famous as DBZ, but that certainly doesn't mean there won't be any profit from it. And it's not even 2009 yet, it's not even 2010, even then you'd have to wait and give time for it to be picked up, it won't just happen right away. And lastly, all the anime companies know of the huge fanbase for One Piece. They're probably keeping an eye out, I asked the companies themselves through e-mail and I got nothing in response. So it could be they know, and they're planning. But, I urge you to e-mail and ask them the same, as many as you can so they truely know you want it to be brought to translation uneditted.
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petesarlette
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I completely agree with your point. Also, Fullmetal Alchemist does the same sort of thing. Along the lines about what war can do to the survivors I mean. These type of shows try tell us that war is horrible as hell, and that something should or could be done about it.
Violence in anime can make an otherwise boring series more interesting. People that say that there is too much violence in anime also need to remember one other thing, it's not real, it's fantasy. It's a cartoon, it doesn't use real people in it's production, besides voice actors. As for sexual content. I stay away from the serious stuff, like where there's a lot of nudity and sex. It's just not in my good taste to like that sort of thing. Although I do enjoy fanservice in moderate doses. But hey, who doesn't? It's harmless when it isn't used a ton. |
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