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Vikio
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Well if someone seems to really be arguing a valid point with you, it's worth trying to at least salvage the conversation I think. But if someone's obviously a loon, they're probably just thinking: "Hey, I can use the Internet! Mwahaha! Noone can stop me now!!" Well, then my favorite way is to insult their intelligence in a way they will probably not understand and then ignore them. Or, there was one exchange I really liked on another forum:
lol, sarcasm tastes best cold, like revenge. |
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SnowStar_7*
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I agree with shirokiryuu and someone_II. I actually was writing about this somewhere else on how when I started posting on the internet I was around 13 and I did not ever post ridiculous and unintelligible comments around forums. I also have felt that maybe sometimes I'm too nice with my posts. I was once told this. I think my niceness gets me ignored on the internet. Like Zac said some people just jump at the noobie comments instead of ignoring them. When they should be responding to actually interesting and lengthy comments. Some people just jump at you for saying the most minute thing. Even for just voicing your opinon on the subject. I'm not trying to force anyone to like what I do. I think sometimes it's just immature people in general who post dumb things, because they do not really care because it is only the internet.
It's funny because I had not read your question in the column. I couldn't help but laugh at the whole hobo thing he said for some reason. I know that's kinda wrong. But it was funny. lol |
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animalia555
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Everyone I think we should all just ignore Malintex Terek. From all of my encounters with him on various threads, I have come to the conclusion that he likes to bash the popular opinion on things, not because he truly disagrees with him but just to be a rebel. I have even seen evidence of his hypocrisy. I can give evidence of this, but I will hold off, at least for now, because to do so will go against the very idea of ignoring him. In other words, he is just like the angry poster Zac mentioned earier. The only difference is that he does put thought into his argumetns to avoid looking like one, however, his goal is just the same. Don't get me wrong it is okay to disagree with the popular opinon of something. For example, unlike many people I have talked to I felt that Where The Red Fern Grows had a happy ending. But, if you speak out against the popular opinion, do so because you really disagree with it, not just to rebel against the mainstream.
Also while were on the subject of literature classics being adapted into anime, how about operas into anime. They can have great stories. For example, I once saw a translated version of The Barber Of Seville and it was hilarious. I especially like the scene where Figaro, the Count, aand Rosina try to escape from Dr. Bartlo's residence by climbing up a ladder while trying to carry several of Rosina's heavy suitcases. That scene alone will convince you this is worth seeing. P.S. I want to post my own thoughts on the One Piece situation, but am nnot sure wether that would violate my "Ignore Malintex Terek" rule, or not. Do you guys think it would be okay. |
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fighterholic
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Zac, for once I'm actually going to say something directed exactly at you. I think that there will be hope for One Piece, even if it should take forever for the right company to release it how it was meant to be released. Maybe people will just wait until the entire manga series is finished, which at the rate that THAT is going, it could be ten years before the manga finishes. Somebody will be bound to pick it up, and we will see its true potential.
This week's rant is the best and probably the only one I've actually read all the way through. Because that is the case here and America, and if paranoia parents actually stepped back and looked at the bigger picture, as well as maybe TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for what their kids did, we'd have a little less fire on anime and video games. I am an avid gamer, have played since I was five, and had my gaming limited and censored. Thanks to that, I know the difference between killing video game characters and killing of people, and I'm not one who's playing M-rated games and going out and running people over or shooting the living hell out of them. And why doesn't anybody crusade against R-rated movies or even PORN? I see nobody touching real live porn at all. Last edited by fighterholic on Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:06 am; edited 1 time in total |
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GATSU
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animalia: Malintex's points seem valid to me. They're not popular, but they're not stupid, either.
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animalia555
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ArielTsuki
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I think it's quite the opposite since a sweeping majority of anime is still Japanese high school life in some degree. A show based in Europe is still uncommon compared to that. I don't think anyone should say that they have more than enough. It's like saying to Hollywood had enough with anything not American. Techincally, Read or Die OAV wasn't always in England, all it had was an organization called the British Library, some British characters but it did had the Dokusha and many non-European characters. Read or Dream was mostly in Japan, at times in Hong Kong (where the Paper Sisters, the main characters, live) and Britian for a few episodes. The ROD saga has a more international feel than a European one because of its globe trotting. Full Metal Alchemist and Trinity Blood aren't really focused on Europe either, despite they're set in a pseudo European country. FMA also give Ishbal (and Xing in the manga) fair play. And Ametris, which is a psuedo England in spirit, isn't always depicted in a positive light, hell, I don't think it really was. Trinity Blood is more focused on the Vactian than Europe itself, and it also focuses time to time on the Methsuleah Empire, which is a psuedo-India country. I suggest not to read D.Gray-Man either. I think you're thinking WAY too deep about the fascination of Europe in some manga and anime. I think it's nothing more than a fancy in their culture much like most anime fans in Japanese culture. Japan always had an anti-American bias from way back from WW2 (especially after the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima) and that the American armed forces are STILL occupying their land . The stigma is nowhere s strong as it was back then, but it still exists. Their fascination with European culture isn't new either, it boomed since the Meiji Era, when European imported items from their country and exported theirs (in fact, there was a time in European fasicination with Japanese fashion). But the anti-Americian bias and the European fascination aren't related and shouldn't be as such. Also I think you ignore the Japanese fasciation with the American cowboy myth and the Wild West with shows like Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Bakuretsu Tenshi and most recently, GUNxSWORD and Coyote Ragtime Show (which is shown on the website's layout). But most of European-based anime still have a Japanese feel to them and they have existed for a long time so, no, they're not going "away". And the Japanese makes just much (if not more) crappy anime based on their own culture and country. Don't base on a show's locations on why they suck, but their storytelling. Trinity Blood anime was boring as hell and it;'s quite rare to hear someone hating ROD OAV, FMA or Steamboy, which I love the first two and hear mostly good things about the last one. I suggest you should watch Gankutsuou, or Emma because they're really good anime setting in European countries. On to the One Piece situation, I don't think it was unpopular because it's OP. I do think that 4Kids' marketing played an significant part. Also I like to point out that American broadcasting standards and the Japanese standards are different. Just because OP lasted for 50 episodes on American TV isn't because it was popular. It's not unlikely that shows, except the ones on primetime national network channels, that brings in average ratings last for that long, especially in basic cable. OP was doing okay, but not spectular until the end, enough that 4Kids wasn't making the profit they wanted. 50 episodes is a big deal in Japan because it shows that the show is very popular, enough for two seasons, giving the large number of new shows that they show every seasons and limited air space and amount of money for them. The anime was not on the best of Saturday cartoon channels, Fox Channel. Also, it was butchered to the point that even the most casual of watchers noticed it. Also, it didn't have the fan support either which can play a significant role. I'm not a fan of OP but with the reent popularity with pirates in the States, there shouldn't be any reason why it failed to catipialize on that. All OP fans can do is like what the Sailor Moon fans did, kept up the demand for thr series, although it's less likely to suceed due it's an extremely long series. |
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Mohawk52
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britannicamoore
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Go for it. I mean his thoughts seem to be weel thought out but I think with the clear evidence in front of him the fact he can still post it is kinda...well. It makes me agree he doesn't believe it. 
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mmmdraco
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I'm wondering why no one has mentioned yet why Slam Dunk didn't do well in this country. Or, at least, the real reason. Anyone who bought the DVDs knows that it's because you're likely to see better subtitles on an illegal release that you got through eBay, and maybe better picture, and maybe chapter stops, too! While I appreciate Toei trying to break into the American market, they still should have hired some Americans. I still bought all of the Slam Dunk releases they put out, though, because I love the show. It wasn't really well-advertised, though. I wouldn't have known about it coming out if it weren't for ANN because it definitely didn't show up on the shelves of my local Best Buy. I had to order it.
As far as One Piece? It's another show I love, and so do plenty of my friends. And, none of us watched it in the US because of the dub. But, we've all got the games. Several of us bought the systems just to be able to play them. We might be in the minority, but we're still fans. It sucks that anime and manga companies will start with a release without the resolve and ability to finish it up for the people who *are* fans. I've stopped buying ADV manga releases that are more than one volume because I can never be sure if it'll get cancelled partway through or not. I've got money to spend, and I've decided they're not getting my money, while Tokyopop, Viz, and even Broccoli get plenty of it. I managed a bookstore for a while and was in charge of all of the manga. I tracked the sales, ordered new volumes, kept them stocked on the shelf, arranged holds for people who always bought certain titles, etc. Our biggest seller was Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, followed closely by Initial D, and then Naruto, Death Note, and One Piece. That may not be that odd, although, I don't see Initial D hitting the best-seller charts. (And we don't even live in a mountainous area where there are a lot of racers... just a lot of people who play the arcade game and wanted more.) Companies shouldn't license titles that they're not fully committed to. If one format doesn't work, try another. If one type of advertisement doesn't work, try another. If it's not going on TV and you don't think it's going to be that popular, but you still want it out there, consider releasing it without a dub and without extras. The less money you pump into it, the less you have to get out of it to make money. Then, if it really outperforms your expectations, you can go back and do a new version with dub and extras and platinum casing and toys, etc. Then, new people to the series will buy it wanting the series or even a dubbed version, and old people to the series will buy it for the extras. I pesonally think 4Kids shouldn't be allowed to license anime titles if they're going to run them into the ground like they have with several. There are plenty of things that could have done well with a direct-to-video release in the US instead of a chopped-up and dulled-down version on TV. |
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scortia
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Ugh, the Les Miserables anime isn't tempting me at all. Gankutsuou created mystery by focusing on Albert instead of the Count... but following around the girl will probably cause me to lose a lot of interest because I really didn't care about her in the movie (yeah I haven't read the book yet).
Anywho, speaking of World Masterpiece Theater, they do get things quite right sometimes. I've never read the source material for Romeo no Aoi Sora but that anime was brilliant. One of the most tender realistic anime ever. A great series for a child to watch to gain some perspective. Romeo and Juliet, *yawn*. Ditto to Zac's sentiments on that. How about an anime Othello. That has a lot of potential because there's backstory we get little of. It has a great villain. Ha let's go beyond Shakespeare and novels. How about a Jesus Christ Superstar anime? j/k I quite honestly have no problem if anime companies have to work off novels instead of using new material. Quite often, just as in movies, new material falls short. I do like to see creative variation though... the twists in Gankutsuou kept my attention because I had read the whole bloody 1,100 page novel already. |
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animalia555
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Okay here are my opinions on One Piece. I unfortuntely agree with Zac that the chance of it getting picked up again are slim. However, I ALSO feel that if it's American realease hadn't been so badly bungled it would have stood a great chance. The story is full of amazing characters with compelling backgrounds, great action scenes, and a vivid world with its own technology and politics. (Kind of like Naruto, but with pirates instead of ninjas.) Unfortuntely 4Kids bungled it bg time. *Raise your hand if you're surprised. Well, I see that's just about nobody.* While I realize that some editing is necessary for airing on TV at a time when Kids can see it easily. I.E. Little to no blood, and no cursing, for example. 4Kids went way beyond that. Especially important are the facts that almost all evidence of death was omitted no matter how important to the plot, even when it makes things confusng or even contradicts the dub continuity. Some examples are the fact that anyone hearing that Zoro's childhood friend Kuina did not actually die, but instead suffered an unrecoverable injury which means she can never weld a sword again, might just think that Taishigi is more then a lookalike, but actually Kuina herself. The fact that Taishigi can wield swords while Kuina lost the ability to do so dosn't hold water, as there are MANY stories of people recovering from injuries even when thier own doctors had given up hope. As for the fact that she is now obviously worse then Zoro,, well recovering form serious injuries takes a really long time, while Zoro has had no impediments to his growth. What makes tis edit worse is that Kuina's death was an aciident. Which you WOULD think would be MUCH less objectionable then a delibarate beating. Also they often smashed two or more episode together into about a single episode, cuttingn some story arcs all together, Like the Little Garden Arc (I wonder what they would have done if they ever did get to the CP9 saga as spoiler[it has some Giants who knew Broggy and doggey, and upon learning they were still alive on Little Garden join the StrawHat Pirates rebbelion against the World government that lied to them] In fact to quote Wikipedia
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GATSU
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draco:
That American kids are too fat to want to play sports is the real reason.
The subs for the dvd probably sucked, but the Raijin translations were completely accurate, thanks to Jake and anyone else, and it didn't sell well, either. The only thing from Inoue which seems to have caught on here is Vagabond. Anyway, if there's one thing the Toei releases really lacked, they were interesting covers. It's supposed to be about scoring in an intense sport, and the characters are just shown shooting the breeze.
I saw a few copies at my store, but there's tons of other crap they never have in stock. *sigh* |
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Strephon
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Oh, please. What does wanting to play sports have to do with wanting to watch a sports anime? Sports games sell; sports do well on TV. Hell, a good sports series can be more entertaining than the real thing; I don't care about real football, but I enjoy the "Eyeshield 21" manga. |
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GATSU
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Strephon:
But those are sports simulations, not stories based on sports. And the people who watch sports here don't necessarily play the game. And they're usually in their 20's to 50's, not teens. |
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