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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:00 pm Reply with quote
I'm surprised you didn't go into more of the diversity seinen manga have. For example, Kaoru Mori's series (Victorian Romance Emma, Bride's Story) are also an example of pretty popular seinen manga, but would be considered "shojo" or for "girls" here in the US.
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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:01 pm Reply with quote
Yipe, Josei doesn't sell at all period. Women need to read more Josei manga.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:03 pm Reply with quote
Hoppy: Maybe if it was less depressing, they would.
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AnimeAngel327



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:29 pm Reply with quote
Monster Musume is a "Seinen" harem series. Monthly Comic Ryū is targeted at 30+ readers. MonMusu can be classified as somewhat mature as the series doesnt have the stereo types of other harems. And does touch apon *serious* subjects and just life in general. Ex: Chapter 38.
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ScruffyKiwi



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:46 pm Reply with quote
Unfortunately in your examples of Seinen manga you missed a massive group and also perpuated the mistake that seinen is all about being "edgy". Moe manga are all Seinen and make up a large chunk of the adult male market. Manga Time Kirara family are good examples with manga such as Hidamari Sketch, A Channel, New Game!, Gakko Gurashi, Is the order a Rabbit and Kiniro Mosaic all coming from there. All these are Seinen.

Edit: Forgot the king of all Moe ... K-On! which is also a Kirara title!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:20 pm Reply with quote
ScruffyKiwi wrote:
Unfortunately in your examples of Seinen manga you missed a massive group and also perpuated the mistake that seinen is all about being "edgy". Moe manga are all Seinen and make up a large chunk of the adult male market. Manga Time Kirara family are good examples with manga such as Hidamari Sketch, A Channel, New Game!, Gakko Gurashi, Is the order a Rabbit and Kiniro Mosaic all coming from there. All these are Seinen.

Edit: Forgot the king of all Moe ... K-On! which is also a Kirara title!

Yes, these are all labels assigned by the publishers, not determined subjectively by the content. So many people in the west are always surprised to find out that that nearly all of the moe, 4-koma slice-of-life titles are Seinen, and have been that way for some time.

It also works in reverse too, where publishers can publish edgy or erotic titles as shounen
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Top Gun



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:41 pm Reply with quote
I'd imagine there are a decent number of older readers who still purchase Jump, even if it's just for a few series they originally read in their younger years. I mean I don't think something like Kochikame is being targeted at 10-year-old boys.
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Joe Carpenter



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:19 pm Reply with quote
So, about Gantz, I've noticed in my Dark Horse volumes that female pubic hair can be seen, is this something Dark Horse added? Because I thought that was not allowed in Japanese media or does that only apply to pornography? (as much nudity as there is in Gantz it's still not quite full on hentai)
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Elves



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:20 pm Reply with quote
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While most Seinen manga is not something that would make for a popular anime, there are some major, major exceptions. One-Punch Man is seinen manga, as is Prison School, Ghost in the Shell, Planetes, Chobits, Tokyo Ghoul, Mushishi, Monster, Flowers of Evil, xxxHOLiC, Gantz, B Gata H Kei, Elfen Lied, Berserk, Akira and Blame!


Wow. That's really cool. I hadn't realized that so many of these titles are targeting an adult audience, but now that you say that it seem rather obvious. The American market truly is a totally different beast all together. Neato.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:22 pm Reply with quote
Merida wrote:
MarshalBanana wrote:
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there are some major, major exceptions. One-Punch Man is seinen manga, as is Prison School, Ghost in the Shell, Planetes, Chobits, Tokyo Ghoul, Mushishi, Monster, Flowers of Evil, xxxHOLiC, Gantz, B Gata H Kei, Elfen Lied, Berserk, Akira and Blame!
That may cause some people to get rather mad. I often hear Tokyo Ghoul criticised as a "Seinen wannabe", so to point out that it actually is a Seinen is not going to go down well.


If it runs in a seinen magazine, it is seinen, regardless of what "some people" may think...


I've had this argument with a friend so many time; he's convinced xxxHolic is a shoujo because Watanuki is pretty. Rolling Eyes

Speaking of seinen, it's always struck me as odd that Chobits was aimed at adult men when it had such a chaste, childish view of relationships. Chi and Hideki's relationship is the kind of "snuggles and heavy petting" kinda thing teenagers put into meme pictures on Tumblr. But oh well.
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maximilianjenus



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:08 pm Reply with quote
another note of consideration is that seinen/jousei is also more likely to get live actin adaptations as opossed to shounen series.


Joe Carpenter wrote:
So, about Gantz, I've noticed in my Dark Horse volumes that female pubic hair can be seen, is this something Dark Horse added? Because I thought that was not allowed in Japanese media or does that only apply to pornography? (as much nudity as there is in Gantz it's still not quite full on hentai)


it also has uncensored vagina adn penises, though not very anatomically detailed or full focus and it ahs them on both the japanese magazine and the tank; because funny enought and particularly in shounen, the magazine version is censored compared to the tankubon, though there are also soe tneresting exception where the tankubon is the one that gets censored.
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Zunda-mochi



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:10 am Reply with quote
Hoppy800 wrote:
Yipe, Josei doesn't sell at all period. Women need to read more Josei manga.


Are you talking about the US or Japan?
Because if it's in Japan, Josei DOES sell and women DO read a lot of it, BUT you don't see many women reading them on the TRAIN due to public embarrassment (this is despite that a few times I have seen women read their favorite josei with a book cover too) VS how the men do with their Shonen Jumps and Young Magazines in full plain view.

And honestly, despite that Josei is a little more better than Shojo, it STILL has the annoying themes of romance shoehorned into almost all the genres, even if they could do without it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:36 am Reply with quote
AnimeAngel327, MonMusu is actually based off an adult web comic, so that should give you an idea of its demographic.
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AyanamiRei



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:13 am Reply with quote
Speaking about salary men manga readers... what is the title of this very long-running manga telling the life of a salary man from his early work years to him conquering the president chair and beyond? (I watched an NHK report about it 7or8 years ago, but I never found it because I forgot the name afterwards)

Also, a well-known seinen category of manga: the "animal" manga. Be it about (deceased) dogs, cats, other cats, more cats, a dinosaur... All those manga are labelled as either "kodomo/kids" or shôjô (mainly for the cats titles) in France.
I doubt Chii has something attractive to little kids...
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peno



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:11 am Reply with quote
There is a question that popped in my head, I wonder how many Josei manga, which mostly include Shounen-Ai, is bought by women and how many is bought by gay men. In west, most of the Shounen-Ai titles are aimed on gay men, but in Japan, they are mostly aimed at women, so, does Japanese gay men even buy Shounen-Ai titles?
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