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belvadeer





PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:10 pm Reply with quote
Two classic examples in anime would be Makoto from Sailor Moon (though her situation is a tad more complicated since, you know, spoiler[her parents are long gone]) and Orihime from Bleach. A third somewhat more obscure example would be Kirika from Noir.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:50 pm Reply with quote
For all these societal questions you keep getting, it's a shame that someplace like FiveThirtyEight can't come to your aid. I feel like there has to be some sort of census data that would help here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:18 pm Reply with quote
Their schedule sounds a lot like my life. I was involved with theater after class in high school, and I was pretty much only home to eat dinner and sleep (my school was within walking distance). Even today, in my early 20s, I live 45 minutes away from my job and an additional 15 from my community college, so I'm away from home all day. I often get home after everyone's gone to bed, and I can easily go a few days without seeing my dad. I can sort of relate to that level of independence, but I'm not sure if I would trust my kids with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:09 am Reply with quote
Karl2 wrote:
As someone that lives in the county of Islands that is Åland (Finland) that only have 1 High School and 1 University and the commute to school is 30 minutes-2 hours depending on which sub county you live in, I can totally relate to live alone in the city and wonder why people complain so much about it, besides benig an convenient reason to not write parents into the story.

Same here. I grew up in a town ("larger village"?) with no high school, and since the bus schedules to the city with high schools weren't the most practical, pretty much everyone I knew moved to tiny apartments of their own during high school, going back to their families each weekend.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:34 am Reply with quote
#861208 wrote:
American/Western individualism is a big part of the reason for the differences in trust and safety. There's such low crime in Japan because everyone puts the group and the community above themselves.

Now, I personally believe that there can be a compromise - that intelligent people can make conscious effort to value the individual in some areas, and the group in others, and have the benefits of both types of society and the drawbacks of neither, but that hasn't happened yet. But I think it's possible.

Also, some teenagers live alone - more than America - let's say, 20%? That's still not everyone. For the percentage of anime that focus on this specific type of protagonist, there's the same thing at play as the whole "Why are all the YA books about orphans?" issue. Good parents get in the way of teens having adventures. They either need to be absent/dead, or the bad guys, to give the kids freedom to be main characters.

.......... also, yes, elementary school kids do walk around by themselves. Elementary school boys in their uniforms look like Hotarumaru, or the younger Toushirou swords, in Touken Ranbu, and it's cute, until you realize they're dressing 7-year-olds up like soldiers...


America also had a lengthy phase of "Stranger Danger" and teaching everyone to be suspicious if not outright rude to everyone. I do a fair a mount of walking near the center of my city. Gangster-types are a bit scary, but as long as I'm in a well visible area I progress. I will outright turn around or go around a block in the name of avoiding a small pack of kids waiting for the bus. Inside the malls, no one ever troubles anyone. Unless its a pack of kids. By my experience kids over here just have no idea how to behave in public when left on their own. Heck, a pack of kids with a parent or two still won't be forced to behave until after the fact.

I am somewhat biased against our youth over here, as you can see.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:31 pm Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
to add on that, elementary schoolers take the subway (by themselves) for distances that most highschoolers in other countries would be afraid to do.

When I was 10-11 in Switzerland, I took the train to go to school for a distance of 38 miles. It took me about one and a half hour from home to a private school in a bigger city, and I passed a park which was notorious for attracting drug dealers and drug addicts. That was back in the eighties. Nowadays, many parents drive their children to school by car, even for short local distances. There's a discussion now in Switzerland if we don't spoil our children and make it more difficult for them to gain independence by doing that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:42 pm Reply with quote
I live near New York City and high school students living in their own apartment does happen here sometimes; mostly it happens with super-athletes who want to attend a particular high school or prep school to give them a better chance to get into a big-time college (and thereafter possibly into the professional ranks).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:35 am Reply with quote
I thought for sure this was entirely fabrication for the sake of fiction, wow.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:39 am Reply with quote
Another anime reason for this: so a teenage boy can get rowdy with his harem and his parents not bust him for such illicit activities
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:51 pm Reply with quote
Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote:
John Thacker wrote:
In reality, the United States is easily safe enough for similar practices as Japan (maybe not as young as two), considering that the US crime rate is far, far lower than it was from 1960 through the 1990s, time periods when children and teenagers moved unaccompanied far more than now, including on trains and airplanes. It doesn't have much to do with the crime rate, rather it has quite a bit more to do with what is seen as socially acceptable, and as part of that, what will get you arrested or informed upon to CPS.

This is definitely true. Back in the 70s and 80s when I was a kid, children routinely went all sorts of places without adult supervision. I'm often bemused to watch school kids at bus stops with their parents there. That was never the case when I was going to school... even back in kindergarten, when I was around 5, my Mom didn't escort me to or from the bus stop. Let alone by the time I was in 5th or 6th grade. Heck, if I missed the bus, I had to walk the two miles home from school.

Parents these days are *far* more (over-)protective of their kids. From Soccer Moms to Helicopter Moms, parents seem to want to know what their children are doing at all times, and to keep them busy doing something all the time. This is the *opposite* of freedom and individuality that an earlier posted commented on, and IMO is a bad thing because it limits the maturation process of kids.


Um....*laughs ruefully*

I think you guys are insane....you can't turn on the news today without hearing about someone getting shot, kidnapped, molested, or killed in a fire every single freaking day.

If I had a kid, I would probably keep them out of public school because everything is so backwards and corrupt and it keeps getting worse now. There is no respect for authority here whatsoever.

I'm terrified of even driving to the mall by myself. Gangs keep rioting over there and shooting people even though there's a police station IN the freaking mall!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:20 pm Reply with quote
Chiibi Wrote;
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you can't turn on the news today without hearing about someone getting shot, kidnapped, molested, or killed in a fire every single freaking day.


That is because of modern news media. It used to be that most such crimes were only reported locally. Now with 24 hour stations as well as Internet news outlets almost any crime anywhere gets reported as if it happened next door. All you have to do is follow the news and get scared to death. If you actually read the deeper news you will see reports that violent crime in the US is at a rather low level. Certainly there are hot spots. Almost any city will have areas you should avoid. That said, even in the largest cities most of the area is safe.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:35 pm Reply with quote
Chiibi wrote:

Um....*laughs ruefully*

I think you guys are insane....you can't turn on the news today without hearing about someone getting shot, kidnapped, molested, or killed in a fire every single freaking day.


*shakes head in frustration*

That's because modern media has to fill a tremendous amount of airtime (between 24/7 news channels and social media) and "if it bleeds, it leads". Along with the ludicrous "stranger danger"* nonsense this had lead to the ignorant misperception that every child everywhere in the US is in grave danger 24/7. Making it even worse is the national obsession with eliminating every form of risk and danger.


*If you're worried about your kids, the stats show you'd be far, far, better off locking them away from their siblings, parents, relatives, teachers, pastors, coaches, etc... than from strangers. (And we're talking orders of magnitude here, not minor differences.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:16 pm Reply with quote
While I agree that 21st century TV news broadcasts have become shock full of bad news (because nobody wants to hear good news, or so they say) ...

DerekL1963 wrote:
*If you're worried about your kids, the stats show you'd be far, far, better off locking them away from their siblings, parents, relatives, teachers, pastors, coaches, etc... than from strangers. (And we're talking orders of magnitude here, not minor differences.)


The simple truth is that most often than not it is people we know are the one committing aggressions, it is because we lower our defences because their are not strangers. If we lowered out defences to strangers just the same you can be sure many non good people will use the opportunity to do criminal acts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:08 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
DerekL1963 wrote:
*If you're worried about your kids, the stats show you'd be far, far, better off locking them away from their siblings, parents, relatives, teachers, pastors, coaches, etc... than from strangers. (And we're talking orders of magnitude here, not minor differences.)


The simple truth is that most often than not it is people we know are the one committing aggressions, it is because we lower our defences because their are not strangers. If we lowered out defences to strangers just the same you can be sure many non good people will use the opportunity to do criminal acts.


Presuming of course that said defences are relevant - and not the power imbalance inherent in a child vs. an older sibling, older relative, parent, or authority figure. (And doubly so since children are often taught to defer unquestioningly to such.) Or maybe it's that (generally, as a society) we condition children to accept unwanted physical attention, especially from relatives or family friends. ("Oh, stop fussing and let Uncle Bob hug you, he hasn't seen you in a long while!")

I.E. it's not that children lower their defenses among not strangers, it's that we deliberately strip them of those defenses while feeding paranoid about strangers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:22 pm Reply with quote
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that's ALWAYS wondered about this!
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