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Chester McCool
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I look forward to my suggestions box being spammed with YouTubers pretending to be scared for money while they play Resident Evil 7 because I made the mistake of looking the game up once. As much as I hope the game will bomb the PewDiePie audience is going to eat it up.
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BadNewsBlues
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Well sure if you're a Zelda fan along with ignoring as you pointed out that BOTW is also launching on the WiiU. If not you're pretty much SOL.
This would be a big deal.....if Skyrim hadn't came out all the way back in 2011.
....Which wasn't because Nintendo was publishing games for both systems but because with the WiiU Nintendo didn't know what the hell they were doing with regards to choosing which games to make, when to get them out, and even when to market them. This isn't even getting into the WiiU's sparse lack of third party support.
....Even if it does well in Japan it potentially underperforming in the North American and European markets would still be a pretty big problem.
I didn't say anything about them hemorrhaging money. But you can't sit there with a straight face and tell me that if the Switch under performs just like the WiiU Nintendo is going to make another console since that would be the height of idiocy and desperation.
Yes do to having multiple different divisions that financially didn't pan out for them. Not because they're only investing a lot money into their gaming division and not making the money back.
Eventhough that is true they only sold that much do to chasing after an audience they couldn't retain for the WiiU
. I have no problem with the 3DS I'm talking about their console division which if you look at everything following the SNES has weirdly been trending downward with the exception of the Wii.
But they're not since all their doing by investing money into consoles that are going to bomb is wasting money and their time.
This "recent" flop was one of the two systems that succeeded the gamecube which itself was something of a flop.
Nintendo hasn't said this, has no reason to say it, so I'm just going to take this with skepticism. Plus I'm not of the mind Nintendo wasted a bunch of money with the New Nintendo 3DS only to kill it off after 4 years along with the 3DS line as whole. |
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Northlander
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Aren't they getting the Special Edition, though, which came out fairly late last year? |
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TarsTarkas
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Skyrim is a timeless game, and it is aging well. I hope I live long enough to play the sequel. |
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Jayhosh
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As you yourself make obvious, a lot of people didn't own a Wii U. It might as well be a brand new game to them. I know a lot of people who never owned one who are buying Switch almost entirely because of it. It's a legit system seller in that regard.
The point is that you're playing a game as expansive and complex as Skyrim on a portable system. I know it's a five year old game.
It WAS partially due to that. The point is, even if the Switch retains a low amount of third party support, it being Nintendo's sole platform to develop for will allow for more first party games to be produced at a faster rate.
Not so much if it ends up selling even half as well as the 3DS.
Yes. I can. They've been doing it for decades. What people like you are doing is completely ignoring all of their recent successes while focusing heavily on their few failures. The Wii alone made sure that they were set for a very long time. Yes, it's true that nobody wants to see them continue to release poorly performing consoles until they go bankrupt 50 years from now, but I have high doubt that they would ever go third party. It's not in their MO. They are a toy company first and foremost.
It doesn't matter what the precise cause is. Their business as a whole has not been as profitable. The point is that it's innaccurate to claim that Nintendo is bleeding money, which you specifically may not have insinuated, but others here have.
What's your point? Money is money, regardless of the demographic responsible for it. Obviously the Wii U failed at attracting that same audience. Neither I or anyone else is arguing that.
What? Aside from the Wii U, name a single business venture they've done in the last ten years that hasn't been successful in the long run. Not only that, but they also have some of the highest games purchased per system ratio of any of the other consoles. You're so sure of such an undefined circumstance.
The Gamecube was hardly a flop. Not the roaring success Nintendo expected it to be either, but it was no Virtual Boy. And again, the GBA was selling gangbusters right beside it. You talk about how their console business isn't as successful as their portable systems in the last 20 years, but that's exactly the point. The immense success of those aforementioned portable systems has more than kept them afloat, and will continue to for some time I'm sure. That's why the Switch's capability as a handheld is so crucial here.
No, they haven't. But do you really think that isn't exactly the case? If it's supposed to be a hybrid system of which the one function is as a handheld, why would they continue to support the 3DS, or even develop an entirely new dedicated portable, thus defeating the entire point of the Switch? Yeah, they've said "oh yeah, we're definitely gonna continue supporting the 3DS alongside the Switch," but we saw how well that worked out with the Wii U. The 3DS is closing in on 6 years old since it launched, that's more than long enough for an average system's lifetime. The only reason they haven't completely buried the 3DS yet is because they know they can still squeeze some potential last minute sales and adopters for it before they do so. And why is that hard for you to believe? The New 3DS was just a model revision. All systems get them, and it usually is later in their life cycles. Sure it had a few exclusive games, but that was more of a marketing facade than anything. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Apparently people didn't wisen up with this after the PS3.
I don't really see it being playable on a portable as a big deal, excusing the fact that it's a port of a 6 year old game, and when BOTW is doing the same exact thing of offering gamers an expansive and complex sandbox to play in.
Yes pretty much screwing over those who don't want to buy a Switch, potentially putting Nintendo in a awkward position if the Switch bombs, and disregarding the fact that they don't need to consolidate both divisions and their libraries to achieve that. As the production output of the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii against the production output of the Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, & DS showed they're easily capable of putting out first party titles at good clip.
Which we have no reason to assume will be the case at this juncture especially if you remember my previous comment about the sales of Nintendo's Consoles trending downward. And that's not even getting into the fact it would have to sell that 30.5/33.5 million at a much better clip than what the WiiU sold in the timeframe it had after launching in 2012.
They've been it doing it for decades because people have been buying their systems in considerable numbers in order to justify making new ones....not just doing it for the hell of it (or because they're flushed with cash). They do not want the Switch selling as weakly as the WiiU let alone the Gamecube.
You mean the ones that have nothing to do with their console division and which I didn't ignore?
Because some of those "few" failures that cropped up with the gamecube, wii, or wiiU are cropping up for the Switch. Like their inability to establish a good online infrastructure for their devices. Selling accessories for ridiculous prices, Launching the system with a game that was originally exclusive to another console because they weren't confident it would sell very well on the system it was originally designed for.
The Wii alone is part of why they're now desperately putting out the Switch a few years and a few months early.
This would be true if Super Mario Run and Miitomo weren't a thing. Those at least show they're willing to bring their properties to non-nintendo branded devices.
They're a video game company first and foremost and Nintendo likes rereleasing old stuff on new systems, they don't lose anything putting their old games on IOS or Android devices which as mentioned they're already doing or lose much by bringing newer stuff to whatever non Nintendo branded console they put out.
Yes which as I mentioned I never said making this claim which is inaccurate itself a moot point. Even if others said it, it makes little sense to point it out to me since I don't care.
That's my point you're insisting that the with the Wii making bank for Nintendo, Nintendo can just ignore the WiiU selling horribly and potentially the Switch doing the same and just keep putting out new consoles even if they do the exact same. Because apparently being flushed with cash means a company can keep doing the exact same pointless things expecting different results.
Why the last ten years specifically why not the last 25 or so? Because of it we're simply supposed to look at their success from that same timeframe of 10 years, that still brings a few problems into focus. Wii - having a myriad of problems like shovelware and continuing the process of Nintendo barely having any third party support. 3DS - Launch being a dud. Which lead to price-cutting and foisting GBA games on early adopters (which never became widely available after the fact.) Amiibos - which have had a problem with stock shortages and certain figures being store exclusive. Super Mario Run - needing constant internet connection and their stock dropping 7 points after release due to mixed reviews. Yes these ventures (with the exception of the last) have paid off in the long term but they still had issues.
Much like you're sure with little more than a gut feeling the Switch is going to sell 30-33.5 million units?
The system sold 21 million units, the system that preceded it, the N64? 32 Million, I don't see how you can spin that as "hardly a flop".
Yes it did by a much much larger and laughable margin.
....Then why are we supposed to pretend that the success of their handhelds will allow them to keep putting out consoles no one will buy if they can simply rely on their handhelds to allow them to rake in money.
It's a console with a secondary function as being used as a portable device. The only crucial thing that going to matter is if Nintendo and the companies that are going to be supporting the system can make the system worth getting. It's handheld capabilities aren't as important as that.
Because as mentioned earlier they have zero reason to cannibalize the 3DS simply to make the Switch the only system they focus on.
The Switch was designed primarily as a console that allows you to play your console games on the go which is not unlike what Sony attempted to do with Cross play functionality between the PS3/PS4 and Vita. Having the 3DS and Switch co-exist at the same time doesn't defeat "this" purpose you mention nor does it prevent Nintendo from releasing first party titles at a faster rate.
Difference is the WiiU was deadweight that Nintendo couldn't wait to cut loose. [quote="Jayhosh"]The 3DS is closing in on 6 years old since it launched, that's more than long enough for an average system's lifetime. Well sure if you ignore the fact that Nintendo devices have inconsistent life spans. And that it took til 2001 for Nintendo to completely bury the Gameboy.
That or the fact that while they're prone to stupid and hasty decisions Nintendo has enough sense to know not to put all their eggs in one basket.
Yes one that was designed specifically to work with Amiibos and play exclusives games. Which means if they dump all the money they did into doing all that just to put the system out to pasture to elevate the Switch. That's another "stupid" decision in a long number of bad decisions Nintendo has made. |
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