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SailorPluto1313



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:07 pm Reply with quote
This is actually really interesting; I'm glad I took the time to read it. As always, I love the columns, so thank you. Now I have to go home and check my TV settings Very Happy Oh the things one can learn on Anime News Network Anime hyper
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VanGosroth



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:21 pm Reply with quote
Wut? How can people watch it without frame interpolation on. The panning shots are so choppy it makes it unwatchable for me.
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Lord Starfish



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:22 pm Reply with quote
Ugh, motion interpolation. You know, until recently I was working at an electronics store and all the TVs there were basically just showing a five-minute scene from a nature documentary (Specifically the first five episodes of the Seasonal Forests episode of Planet Earth), chosen specifically because of all the panning shots which would demonstrate how smooth the motion looked and such... After a while I got very good at spotting all the cases where the picture fell apart because of the TV not knowing what to do with it. Thankfully my own TV seems to have been just old and cheaply made enough that it doesn't even have this feature, so I didn't even have to bother turning it off. But yeah, from where I'm standing pretty much every kind of automatic image-processing should be turned off immediately. Sharpness enhancing? Get out. Dynamic contrast? No. Interpolation? Oh god no. And while my dad's old TV was old enough that it didn't have interpolation, it did have those other two things with the added infuriating detail that there was no way to disable them. So when I was looking for my own TV about a year and a half ago, my criteria were very simple: I want a 1080p TV, and it has to be possible to turn off all the post-processing so I can just get a proper image. Thankfully this turned out to be pretty easy to find as it seems my dad's old TV and its forced sharpening and dynamic contrast was an anomaly.
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ultimatehaki



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:28 pm Reply with quote
Didn't really understand any of this but I'll check out my TV settings and see if I can tell the difference.
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Just Passing Through



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:30 pm Reply with quote
Even if you turn off all the image processing from a TV's menu, there will still be some processing going on somewhere. With flashing images (machine gun fire in action movies), my Panasonic HD TV tends to strobe, so you have to go into the picture settings, you know, Cinema, Live, Sport and so on, and switch it to Game Mode, which has the fastest refresh rate, as it turns off most of the image processing that you can't normally access as a user. Result no strobing.

The thing is that TVs need image processing like Tru Motion and the like, as broadcast television is so poor, especially SD channels.

I've actually kept a couple of CRT sets to watch SD TV on and those really old interlaced NTSC anime DVDs mastered from video sources.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Forgive my ignorance but I thought that the problem wasn't 24fps but rather watching something shot at 24fps and designed to be shown at 24fps on 60hz TV's and monitors. Afterall there is no need for interpolation if you watch 24fps on a 24fps projector.
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natureman



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:39 pm Reply with quote
I hate this feature. I see it on TVs everywhere and it bothers me so much. I honestly don't get how other people cant tell the difference, everything just looks so fake.
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marshall2000_uk



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:53 pm Reply with quote
I turn this god damn crime against humanity off, it makes Harry Potter look like Coronation Street (English soap opera)

I can't believe people actually like it.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:31 pm Reply with quote
I'm not a fan of the motion smoothing. Years ago, my dad got a new TV that had it, and he seemed quite pleased because of how it worked with sports. When we switched to some live-action TV show, I asked him to disable the feature because I could see the effect it was having. He was pretty confused because he didn't see what I was talking about. I would guess that since he predominantly watches sports, and I predominantly watch anime, it made our perceptions different.
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WingKing



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:36 pm Reply with quote
100% agree with Justin and Starfish here. I just bought a new TV a few months ago, and the first thing I did was go into the setup menus, turn off every post-processing effect option I could find, and then lower the brightness and color settings from "blinding" to "normal." Regular over-the-air TV doesn't look like anything special, but 95% of what I've used my TVs for has always been DVDs, Blu-Rays and video games, and those all look fantastic now that I finally have the settings right.
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Dfens



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:37 pm Reply with quote
I remember my first HD TV popped in my favorite movie of all time and it looked like it was shot on a cheap soap opera camera, wanted to smash the TV and almost returned it. Then I went online and googled it and found out how to turn the dam thing off.

Recently went to a friends house he had the same problem, he just bought a new HD TV and was pissed how it looked, luckily within a minute or two I was able to go in the menu options and disable it.

And just over the weekend my Mother had a power outage and her HD TV with HD cable that I had just setup reset to all the factory settings making it look like shit. Thank god I saved on my computer a note of all the setting including how to turn the horrible setting off to get it back the way it should have been for her.
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FackuIkari



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:46 pm Reply with quote
Unless it's filmed like that it sounds like a terrible idea.

I like the hobbit movies in 48fps because they're filmed like that. Yeah it makes the CGI stand out a little bit more but I liked how smooth it felt when I watched it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:51 pm Reply with quote
Interlacing is another bugbear, especially for older DVDs with frequent horizontal panning shots. Only recently did I learn that VLC is capable of de-interlacing a live signal, imperfect though its algorithms may be. I fear that such an issue is unavoidable unless I use an upscaling hardware player, something to which I wish not to upgrade until I own a Blu-ray release or two.
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Triltaison



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:51 pm Reply with quote
I never knew the name for this before, so thanks for that. I have a slight motion sickness side effect to one of my daily medications and this stupid feature triggers it on some TVs. It depends on the shot composition, the size of the TV, and the quickness of the pan, but I usually have to just turn away or ignore the TV if I don't want to periodically get dizzy. The only other thing that triggers it is focusing on a ceiling fan while laying down, so I've been confused what was different about TVs and just assumed it had to with oversaturation and not being around HDTVs as much (we only upgraded from CRT last year). Our TVs have had their settings fiddled with by me so they don't bother me, but the occasional TV in a restaurant still gets me if it's close enough and zooms in on players running over a field.
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Tenebrae



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Ah, motion smoothing. It literally is watching a disaster unfold in real time.
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