Forum - View topic

Answerman - Is Subway Groping Really A Big Deal In Japan?

According to the new report, six in 10 women in major Latin American cities report they've been physically harassed while using transport systems, with Bogota, Colombia, found to have the most unsafe public transportation, followed by Mexico City and Lima, Peru.

At the other end of the safety spectrum, New York was rated as the best of the 16 cities studied followed by Tokyo, the world's largest capital with 38 million people, then Beijing and London.

Women were asked six questions relating to: how safe they felt traveling alone at night; the risk of being verbally harassed by men; the risk of being groped or subjected to other forms of physical harassment; trust that other passengers would assist a woman being physically or verbally abused; and trust in authorities to investigate reports of sexual harassment or violence.

jojothepunisher wrote:

Now, I want to say that I do not condone these types of behavior, but I can't help but laugh when the column mentioned how serious of an issue this is in Japan and how some people go so far as to form an online club to promote "chikan". I mean that just takes it to the next level to the point of ridiculousness.

So the fact that there are groups of men who get together to compare notes, stories, tips etc on getting away with groping a woman is funny and being upset over it is just silly to you? How charming.

Links
You don't know what you're talking about.

I am sensing from your posts a lack of empathy for women who may have to deal with groping on their daily commute. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you do?

That's a really horrible justification. So if I commit crimes it makes it better as long as I know that I'm scum and that what I did was wrong? And that's also a really unfair attack against gun owners. Most aren't nuts and just happen to have one or feel that owning one is necessary. And they do feel ashamed by the fact that others abuse their rights, or try to bully others. You have no idea what you're talking about. You shouldn't be judging the US because I'm sure you have your own skeletons in your closet that are just as bad or worse.

Paiprince wrote:

Yeah, sure and if the man fights back because of continued verbal and mental abuse done by the woman, she gets defended by white knights.

Let's be crystal clear about something here: if a man is grabbing a woman's arse against her will, and she shouts at him to stop grabbing her arse, that is not the woman committing any kind of abuse. If the man's so sick of hearing so many women telling him to stop grabbing their arses, maybe he should stop grabbing women's arses.

Paiprince wrote:

If one assumes said assault is underreported, then the same can be said for slander and libel.

Yeah, no. Slander and libel are already public acts by definition, so kinda hard to under-report that.

And with that, I've said my piece. I feel like going further will become a contest of heated and sour exchanges.

I'll believe them when the attitude is public and common sense and it all points the opposite right now. Habits die hard.

...

An old EGM column by Seanbaby talked about this once. I had an epiphany about this kind of thing when he made the remark, "There are subway trains that have signs reminding people not to take upskirt photos. How widespread does a problem have to be for people to have to put up signs like that?!"

Certainly, due process rights of the accused must be protected, but in the preponderance of cases, the woman is the one victimized. Just because they need to be careful how they prosecute these cases, in the courts of law and public opinion, doesn't mean that women being victimized by men isn't far more salient than the converse

Of course, young-children are not the target of these molesters, it becomes an issue later in life.

To my understanding, that's not true. I've read that young girls also experience groping on trains before even entering high school, and there was a diagram a few years ago that showed that elementary girls seem to be considered the easiest targets for chikan.

It's made worse in Japan since despite general culture there favors males, this is one of those instances that the females can fight back against the so called patriarchy, knowing full well that social ostracism is equivalent to a dead man walking there.

Gina Szanboti wrote:

Paiprince wrote: If one assumes said assault is underreported, then the same can be said for slander and libel. Yeah, no. Slander and libel are already public acts by definition, so kinda hard to under-report that.

You underestimate how social media is a notorious tool to commit the act while hiding behind anonymity. All it takes is a photo and a bogus tweet to have your good name come crashing down.

Well that was pretty depressing to read. If I had daughter, I wouldn't necessarily be comfortable sending her there, especially if she had to take the train to work or school.

I wonder if these people lack self-control or have somehow grown up to believe that this is acceptable. I guess if it shows up in porn, maybe it normalizes it to them? I don't know... At least some steps are being taken to stem the tide of it.

if i had seen a "pedo bear" do that to the female members of my family,i pretty much would have lost it and beaten the living hell out of that beast cause an actual man dont like like demonic animals like what their doing in those subways.

Agent355 wrote:

I am sensing from your posts a lack of empathy for women who may have to deal with groping on their daily commute. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you do?

Women aren't the damsels in distress we all think they are, especially now that they're experiencing a surge of "empowerment." Gotta take the good with the bad.

Now that they're being allowed to speak out more, the unsavory ones who get through their lives using lies and deceit...and they get away with it more often than not. Until then, the illusion that gender equality and accountability will just remain that: an illusion.

And I don't think I can answer your hypothetical since women operate in a different line of mental framework to men similar to how the latter's instinct to act first over the former wanting to be a recipient of an act. It's just biology.