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Chiibi
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Why does everyone have to make this about SEX, goddamit.
For a chaste romance without involving sexual situations, I would say not. I agree that it's far-fetched that a 12-year-old is able to get her high-skill level illustrations published professionally....but not so much for the idea of a 12-year-old drawing "sexy" images Storytime!! This story is called "How Anime Made Chiibi a Pervert Artist" When I first got into anime between the ages of 12-13ish, I'd randomly select any VHS to rent from the local video stores. Most of them were shounen/harem/action like Tenchi Muyo and Ranma 1/2 and occasionally some underground ecchi OVA like Maze. And a good deal of them had nudity or tight and skimpy clothing and as I was learning to draw in the anime style, that had a BIG influence on my works and soon I was drawing naked girls all the time. (I couldn't draw boys because these shows rarely ever treated me to naked boy butt LOL) I freaked whenever people would look at my sketchbooks without asking me since they always reacted like I was an abnormal pervert freak....and possibly "special". Because it was the end of the 90s, you know... Never mind that people have been drawing and sculpting naked people for CENTURIES. All the sudden it's a huge deal when young artists draw naked people to understand how to draw the human body. 
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zrnzle500
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Tell that to the camera. Or many of the fan artists making an uncomfortable amount of fan art of Sagiri (she's fairly popular as far as I can tell). |
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Alan45
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Chiibi wrote:
The very first episode of Ranma 1/2 TV (and incidentally the first anime episode I ever watched) shows a long view of Boy Type Ranma's naked butt, while Akane gets a equally long view of his front.  I always figured that is why the series was never shown on US TV, that and Girl Type's tendency to run around topless.
zrnzle500 wrote:
Twelve year olds don't excite me, so I don't care what the camera does as long as it doesn't get in the way of the show. I feel the same way about fan service in other shows. Everyone is responsible for their own reaction to a show. Is this series a tease for people into fictional incest? Of course it is. Is it a tease for people into Lolies? Yes of course it is. Is it going to force anyone or even encourage anyone to commit an illegal act, of course not. As a consequence I don't see why anyone who is not into such things needs to care. In this connection I should point out that if no underage sex or other inappropriate behavior occurs, her age is immaterial. I really don't see that happening. At worst, they may admit they like each other which is not inappropriate. I don't even expect them to discuss actual sex at some future date. |
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zrnzle500
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^I don't doubt that it won't be explicitly sexual, and what fanservice is there isn't terribly obtrusive. I don't have a problem with what I've seen so far (otherwise I wouldn't be watching). Just noting why one might make it about sex.
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ChibiKangaroo
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Yea, this is just another round in the seasonal anime tradition of people stating the obvious, other people denying the obvious because of concerns about implied sentiment, and then more people stating the obvious. I think its totally cool for people to watch this one for the story. I've watched ecchi shows for the story. Like I said, I do question the authenticity of this one. I get what you're saying Chibii, but you weren't publishing sexy images through some publishing house at age 12, and if you had been, the adults hiring you probably would have been arrested for corruption of a minor. |
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Alan45
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@ChibiKangaroo
I think you are on to something there. It is highly unrealistic that either of them is making a living in the manner described. It would be a much better story if he were 17 or 18 and she was 15 or 16. Even then it would be unrealistic but a bit easier to accept as possible. I've pretty much decided to drop the show, not because it bothers me but I find I don't really care about the characters. |
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Chiibi
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I'm not really sure how publishing in Japan works....but the way it seems for this story, Masamune just made a deal with Eromanga-sensei online, received the illustrations, and submitted the manuscript to be published. That way he himself talks with the editor but Sagiri has not. The editor may not care where the art even came from. I can easily see that happening. I don't think it's as implausible as some may think. We don't really get a lot of details here. As for "corruption of a minor".....I doubt the laws of Japan really care that much if a child is drawing ecchi pics anyway.  She isn't doing porn; just panty shots. o_O
That's all you've got!?
How many shows do lingering shots on characters chests and butts yet they barely even end up holding hands at the end of the cour!? |
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zrnzle500
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^To be clear, I don't think they will get into an inappropriate relationship. The argument was not that there would be such a relationship but that they are trying to appeal to that fantasy, which there is little doubt, whether one finds such a thing appealing or not.
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DuskyPredator
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This was kind of exactly the sort of thing I was hoping would be brought up, an example of a girl around that age experiencing that sort of media and or drawing that sort of stuff. Maybe even down to how you mentioned being kind of freaking out from people thinking it perverted, and how I have thought about her reaction to her brother saying it is sexy and whatnot when she simply likes drawing and thinks it cute. People can have the perception that it is perverted, but that can be a big misunderstanding. "Chaste" romance I think is fine, even more I think that a relationship I think be welcome. It is not like this is going to go full Yosuga no Sora or even Kiss X Sis. |
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Fhoo
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The show puts an image on screen that is clearly meant to make us think that she could be going down on him with a clear view up her shirt. I don't know why anyone wouldn't think of these characters in a sexual context after that. Even if the show doesn't bring up actual sex, it is clearly trying to lead the audience in that direction. Last edited by Fhoo on Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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SaitoHajime101
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The best part of this series has been the animation and color. While there hasn't been much in the way of "action" (which there won't be considering the genre), but when movement and overall action was needed, it felt good and looked good. The vibrant colors of this series really do well to sell the overall innocence of the characters despite the fan-service elements and nickname of the female protagonist
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Vaisaga
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I'm not sure what to think here regarding the adaptation. It omits (or rather, keeps vague) a very important detail yet keeps all the stuff that is a response to that detail. As such some people probably won't pick up on it. This review certainly didn't.
The thing is spoiler[Masamune's story is about a guy who falls in love with his new step sister at first sight, thus confirming he sees Sagiri romantically, something he didn't consciously recognise until it came out in his story. Elf and Sagiri also realise this, and that's what prompts Sagiri to reveal there's some one she likes.] Without knowing that, it seems pretty random she'd say such a thing out of nowhere. It's an important detail that shapes the story going forward so I don't get why they wouldn't be clear about it. That it happens so early is something that sets it apart. |
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zrnzle500
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I'm really hoping this isn't in part autobiographical. The point of the story at this point is trying to turn his love letter to his younger sister into a salable story, and ultimately an anime. Anyone know if the author has a little sister?
The story in and of itself isn't bad and the production is very good. The former kinda reminds me of Bakuman, what with trying to ultimately make an anime with their love interest, though in this the love interest is involved in making the source material and is...you know... his little (step-)sister. |
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leetailor
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This show was always going to be popular, it never mattered if it was going to be "good" or not. It's pure bait.
It ticks as many of the boxes on the otaku pandering checklist as it can. It also features only the theme park version of each sensitive subject matter that it touches on, so it can be as controversial, topical or poignant as possible without truly grounding any of the situations in reality, which would risk alienating the audience by making things "too real" and destroying the fantasy.
She's a hikikomori! (What would the room of a real hikikomori look like? Irrelevant. ) - Not really controversial, but it's still "in" right now Their parents died! (No guardian? No problem. They are financially independent because the guy is a successful light novel author.) - Not controversial, just edgy. As for the checklist: 12 year old love interest? Excuse for the main girl to waltz around naked? The two mains share a home without parents? Check, check and check. Make the main girl depend on the main guy for everything? More cute girls? Middle schooler who claims to "love dick"? Another cute girl that waltzes around naked? Gotcha, coming right up. Once you've got all these elements down, you don't even have to try. Fushimi knew that, and Aniplex knows that too. Well, it's possible that Fushimi just got lucky with Oreimo and he wouldn't be able to write well even if he tried. Or maybe he just writes what he himself would like. I'm not passing judgment or criticism on those who like the show; it's none of my business what people enjoy (unless of course it causes harm in real life). I just wanted to share my perspective.[/list] |
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HeeroTX
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I didn't think that point was vague at all. Several characters (even before today's episode) pretty much made that clear. And if it was "lost" before, then it's pretty obvious with the latest episode. Especially considering the conversation between Sagiri and Masamune in the latest episode. I'm really curious about "bookstore" tho, since all the other girls (no matter what else) are clearly aware of the brother/sister dynamic. It's also amusingly interesting that at present she's the ONLY "big breasted" girl in the show.[/spoiler] |
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