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EP. REVIEW: What do you do at the end of the world? Are you busy? Will you save us? (SukaSuka)

I won't comment on the other things until I see them, but seriously, I don't care what the context is for a naked back massage UNLESS you are going to a professional masseuse. In any other scenario that is at least a tantalizing sexual scene. The only way the guy gets "kudos" for that is in his ability to score.

... She was moaning the entire time and it finished with what can only be described as her cumming. It was definitely sexualized (not to mention I doubt this poison will ever be referred again, unless its for another fan service scene).

That's why I said it depends on the individual though, everyone will see the scene differently. But the fact that the MC disregards the entire interaction as anything romantic and does not illicit any reaction in him whatsoever, means that to the MC it was purely platonic. Not sexual, not arousing, not exciting, just business taking out a "poison". (Totally agree though that I doubt the poison gets referred to again, though it would be nice to get more information)

If you have watched a lot of these shows, then you know that it is totally normal for a MC to act indifferent or show little reaction to tantalizing things happening on screen. There's two types of MC in this scenario. The pervert or the "innocent." Both types work as a self insert, but the "innocent" has wider appeal for obvious reasons. In that context, it is more clear that the service is for the audiences benefit and not the MCs also, since his lack of reaction doesn't get in the way or distract from what is being served up. (This is why voyeur shots make sense. Only the audience sees it. The MC usually doesnt.)

As I stated before, the shots in the massage scene weren't voyeuristic to me, as the framing was in no way arousing to me as an individual. The shots of the girls in their loungewear were much more voyeuristic in that sense.

If she was wearing something it makes a slight difference, though a friendly massage doesn't require anything to be opened. Direct contact either implies sexuality or professionalism. Since I haven't seen anything about this guy working as a professional masseuse, I think we know whats going on (especially if she was moaning. Come on people )

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

If she was wearing something it makes a slight difference, though a friendly massage doesn't require anything to be opened. Direct contact either implies sexuality or professionalism. Since I haven't seen anything about this guy working as a professional masseuse, I think we know whats going on (especially if she was moaning. Come on people )

The LN has the luxury to explain the thoughts and actions of it's characters, whereas an adaptation usually is forced to cut such things.

And since this will not be in the anime this will not be a spoiler-
Willhem learned from a combat medic on how to treat venom(magic) poisoning, he applied ,well, pressure to ten pressure points. This released the poisoned venom,Kutori feeling relaxed&relieved quickly feel asleep.

As I've stated the anime's portrayal was not in keeping with the tone and story of the LN.to me at least, then again maybe I'am just an old fogey lol.

This would be useful info if they put it in the anime. That being said, I expect they still would have played up the sexual nature. I remember when I was commenting on this show in the preview guide and I told Theron I have low expectations for the maturity level of the anime writers many times. This is the type of thing that proves me right.

That doesn't prove your assumption in the slightest. All it proves is that you have given yourself the authority to judge what is "mature" or "immature" based on your self established moral high ground. You got backlash in the preview guide for the exact same reason, you say inflammatory comments as fact based on your preference, claiming anyone else who says differently to be wrong.

I agree with you that they should have added that in the anime version of that scene though, because it would have given us more context to Willem as a character, which is never a bad thing. But dismissing the narrative as immature because it contains content that you find objectionable is hypocrisy at its' finest.

This would be useful info if they put it in the anime. That being said, I expect they still would have played up the sexual nature. I remember when I was commenting on this show in the preview guide and I told Theron I have low expectations for the maturity level of the anime writers many times. This is the type of thing that proves me right.

ChibiKangaroo wrote:

This would be useful info if they put it in the anime. That being said, I expect they still would have played up the sexual nature. I remember when I was commenting on this show in the preview guide and I told Theron I have low expectations for the maturity level of the anime writers many times. This is the type of thing that proves me right.

They did put it into the anime. It may not have been spelled out as explicitly as in the LN, but it seemed totally clear to me that it was a kind of expertise he'd picked up from being involved in these things in his previous life.

I'm not arguing it's not fanservice, but at least watch the show if you're going to complain about the way it's done.

And I was getting pushback in the preview thread because people were adamantly stating that the anime was NOT going to play up the sexual stuff. Granted, they could have gone much further, but still I think it is an example of why my low expectations are justified.

No, people were pushing back against you stretching the definition of harem to apply that label to the show. If anyone was denying things would go in a sexual direction it was pertaining to the small children among the group, which you were trying to say were members of a harem (not that you argued the small children would be exploited that way). I don't believe anyone doubted that they could explore romantic or fanservice angles with Chtholly. While the fanservice may have been played up in the massage scene compared to the novel, I doubt it was against the intention of the author, given they are in charge of writing the anime.