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EP. REVIEW: Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul

manapear wrote:

She also had her life screwed over by the gods (twice) and was manipulated by them as well. And yet, she still works with them. (Especially when it comes to Gabriel's evil, selfish self.)

This is true, and it's true that the gods are mostly huge a-holes but they have done some things for her. Once upon a time they did give her a purpose and inhuman power. They also gave her a child. If I was a mother I would also team up with shady untrustworthy jerks to get back at the guy responsible for my son's death. They are her only recourse, unfortunately. So yeah, it is true that she should be angry at them too, but also she should not act so indifferent to Nina's romantic exploits, which are a huge plot point.

To get the lost technology, they needed the gods to unseal it or get what they need to do it themselves from the gods, and the gods didn't seem amenable to that. Which is understandable as even if he succeeded in his plan, which is not without its downsides, he could just use it to usurp the gods and demons after killing Bahamut. Enslaving the demons was counterproductive though.

I'm really curious; for those that can't stand Charioce and find him uninteresting, what would make him worthwhile? Would it be openly emoting more, or more visually and obviously suffering?

Would having a redemption arc similar to Azazel's be redeeming? I see a lot of "for no reason" with Charioce and his motives that bugs people, and I can understand that. But Azazel tortured, murdered and humiliated humans for no other reason than it was entertaining to him, so what separates these two?

Is Azazel more acceptable now, because he's had to suffer and look pathetic and pitiable, and that's something people want from Charioce?

I wonder if people here even think or just really like to shit on stuff.

What's so hard to understand?

Also, why would he ask the God/Demons for help when they've been backstabbing dumbasses the whole time, between Genesis and Virgin Soul.

I think it's fair for her to accept that Nina is in love with Charioce.

And to the reviewer, who said that the Onyx Captain was controlling Chris and as such he needs our pity, i can only say wut? What do you mean by that? Chris is in this 100% knowing that what's he's doing is bad/good and how stuff came around. You don't need to control a guy that has the will do go through with it. The Captain just went "M8, we need someone to kill bahamut with this tech and you seem like a guy with a will of steel. Will you do it? We'll even follow you and give away our lives to the cause" And Chis just said yes and went with it.... What's so hard to understand?

The part where we're supposed to find a guy sympathetic who, after uncovering research about how to stop a monster that everyone wants dead, he decides to enact a campaign of genocide and a system of institutional slavery rather than ask for help from the other races (I guess we're supposed to find that impressive or manly, which makes the whole thing feel like the sword and sorcery version of a guy who's proud that he would never even consider pulling into a gas station and ask for directions)?

Yeah, this I agree with. There was zero indication that he was being manipulated by the Onyx Knight guy, or that it was an excuse to absolve him of his crimes against demonkind.

WHY would she be okay with her friend being in love with the man that threw her in a gulag and psychologically tortured her with telling her he would kill her child in front of her? Tell me is there a worse threat for a mother? (Same goes for Nina, of course, why is she okay with this tyrant who has literally tried to kill all her loved ones 15 times?) Just face it, it was ignored for the sake of avoiding conflict with Nina, and because the show is almost over I guess.

You're saying a lot of things about the gods looking down on her and etc. but she didn't know that, the audience did. Not everyone is privy to all the conversations the gods have in their shiny floating city. This is like Favaro suddenly knowing things he shouldn't know in this episode.

Charioce is inconsistent as a character since in some episodes he is telling a prisoner that she is only alive because he is going to murder her child in front of her and in another episode he is going on a cute date with Nina. Several times now Charioce would act like a villain in one episode and would act like a fairy tale prince in the next episode.

Well unless you really cared about faceless soldier #23 it isn't quite the same since Azazel wasn't even the main bad guy in Genesis. Azazel was so over the top that it felt theatrical and don't forget that some of his evil speeches were done next to a demon girl with dog puppets on her hands. So while Azazel was doing evil in his flying squid ship his level of menace decreased greatly by the time he got run over by a carriage.

Charioce on the other hand is a king and you get to see what his actions have caused. You see the demons starving in the streets, you see them in chains and cages, and you see the horrific things that have been done to them in torture chambers. It feels heavier than anything in Genesis and even in episode 22 we still don't get an explanation for it.

I wonder if people here even think or just really like to shit on stuff.

Why would the guy tell people "yo, imma unseal Bahamut now so as to try and kill him mmk?". It's like they would be all happy to see Bahamut again after having him wreck their lives 10 years ago. Also, why would he ask the God/Demons for help when they've been backstabbing dumbasses the whole time, between Genesis and Virgin Soul.

I get that people have "something" against the show, but come on...

And to the reviewer, who said that the Onyx Captain was controlling Chris and as such he needs our pity, i can only say wut? What do you mean by that? Chris is in this 100% knowing that what's he's doing is bad/good and how stuff came around. You don't need to control a guy that has the will do go through with it. The Captain just went "M8, we need someone to kill bahamut with this tech and you seem like a guy with a will of steel. Will you do it? We'll even follow you and give away our lives to the cause" And Chis just said yes and went with it.... What's so hard to understand?

(. . .)

Y'know, one plot device that needs to get dragged out into the street and shot is the "oh, don't worry, the devil made them do it!" Yeah, funny thing about that, writers: you kinda killed that bs excuse during the first season. While the main architect of the series was indeed a vicious, manipulative cad using the situation to his advantage, it still didn't negate the fact that the other characters were responsible for their actions. Typically manipulators are meant to prey on that which already exists in the character to begin with, not conjure out of this air. It's such a gutless writing device when you get down to it, wanting to have the spectacle of a villain, but then trying to have it both ways by absolving them of wrongdoing.

He does have villainous moments, but even those are more few to the moments where he allows stuff; which is of course horrible, but it's also weird that more blame is pinned on him for things than he actually does.

I care about Kaisar and Favaro, and what they suffered through. Azazel doesn't have to be the main bad guy to excuse how evil and disgusting he was. So if Charioce was theatrical about all this, it would make it better? If he was treated as a joke, it would make it more tolerable? Azazel was absolutely sinister at times. Mocking Kaisar for being ignorant about who killed his father, and even being so condescending about the humiliation that his father and their house faced per his hands was despicable. I don't think that's theatrical at all. I think it's reprehensible. Then he gloated about killing Favaro's father too, and thought it was hilarious that Kaisar spent the greater part of those years chasing after the wrong person. Azazel is horrible.