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Asterisk-CGY



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:14 pm Reply with quote
My animator friend got an offer to work at a Korean animation studio, which turned out to be the ones behind Spark, a Space Tail. He didn't take the job because the pay was way too low compared to his old salaries, which was in video games. The move and language didn't help either.

I think there's will but not the right money in trying to build their respective fields. Japan is really just running on legacy at this point, but it's own problems has to come to bear at some point.
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Gemnist



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:30 pm Reply with quote
I honestly want these to succeed. We could use more (good) variety.
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Intranetusa



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:12 am Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
My answer is simple: not at their current level. Even their most known an likes Chinese cartoon, The Kings Avatar is just mediocre to me.


It's still better than almost every anime that came out in Spring of this year. I've tried maybe 10 Spring 2017 animes and all of them have been garbage except Attack on Titan 2 and King's Avatar.
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Blackiris_



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:03 am Reply with quote
Intranetusa wrote:
I've tried maybe 10 Spring 2017 animes and all of them have been garbage except Attack on Titan 2 and King's Avatar.

Then you've probably tried the wrong ones.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:36 am Reply with quote
Intranetusa wrote:
It's still better than almost every anime that came out in Spring of this year. I've tried maybe 10 Spring 2017 animes and all of them have been garbage except Attack on Titan 2 and King's Avatar.


That's just BS. There's plenty of stuff far more enjoyable then King's Avatar. People are just flocking to it because "muh adult characters" and "muh realism" without realizing that unless you play of like MMOS, King's Avatar is boring as hell.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:05 am Reply with quote
South Korea has potential, I have read some of their manhwa and think some of them were pretty good. Enough to be made into an anime. But I get the impression the Korean people are more inclined to be entertained by realism than venturing into the 2D world.

China, I watched the Fox Matchmaker and thought it was cute. But the highly overreacting characters just got to be way obnoxious in such a way it was like Michael Winslow (Police Academy) was doing Asian Dub gag. This and other of Chinese anime, all I can think of was "me, me, me", everything was about them and not the team aspect you see with the Japanese anime.

Another Chinese anime that was mentioned is the King's Avatar. While it was well drawn, but the main protagonist has a major Marty Stu complex. Which I honestly think it's the worst case I ever seen in a story.

Overall, Chinese animators have learned from the Japanese enough they can hold their own in the art and animation, but as mentioned above, they are limiting themselves to Chinese-centrism. Which is compounded by the Chinese government limiting their creativity. So for now, China will surely improve but it will be for the domestic market than overseas.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:37 am Reply with quote
SWAnimefan wrote:
Another Chinese anime that was mentioned is the King's Avatar. While it was well drawn, but the main protagonist has a major Marty Stu complex. Which I honestly think it's the worst case I ever seen in a story.


Eh, I don't know that I would say he is a Marty Stu or at least is not the worst. His skill only applies to the game, which he was a multiple time champion professional at for ten years. If your opponents are mostly amateurs (albeit serious ones), you better be that good relatively. The relative advantage of the class type he chose will go away eventually as the characters around him level up. You might still reasonably argue that he is a Gary Stu, but compared to say Shiba Tatsuya (who can: shoot through wall, shoot nukes, invented flying, and can bring himself and others back from the dead among other things) he is far from the worst such example.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:27 am Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Intranetusa wrote:
It's still better than almost every anime that came out in Spring of this year. I've tried maybe 10 Spring 2017 animes and all of them have been garbage except Attack on Titan 2 and King's Avatar.


That's just BS. There's plenty of stuff far more enjoyable then King's Avatar. People are just flocking to it because "muh adult characters" and "muh realism" without realizing that unless you play of like MMOS, King's Avatar is boring as hell.


Funny. I don't play MMOs and I like Kings Avatar.

And show me a decent new Spring 2017 anime that doesnt rely on garbage fanservice and boobs or isnt the second/third season of a decent preexisting anime (eg. One of the sports anime)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:33 am Reply with quote
Blackiris_ wrote:
Intranetusa wrote:
I've tried maybe 10 Spring 2017 animes and all of them have been garbage except Attack on Titan 2 and King's Avatar.

Then you've probably tried the wrong ones.


Indeed - I tried a lot on the spring highlights here. But that just goes to show so many Spring 2017 animes (especially new series) are complete garbage.

I mean, how many completely new 2017 anime so far have a score over 8 here or on myanimelist? Almost everything good have been season 2-3 or sequels to preexisting animes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:43 am Reply with quote
zrnzle500 wrote:
SWAnimefan wrote:
Another Chinese anime that was mentioned is the King's Avatar. While it was well drawn, but the main protagonist has a major Marty Stu complex. Which I honestly think it's the worst case I ever seen in a story.


Eh, I don't know that I would say he is a Marty Stu or at least is not the worst. His skill only applies to the game, which he was a multiple time champion professional at for ten years. If your opponents are mostly amateurs (albeit serious ones), you better be that good relatively. The relative advantage of the class type he chose will go away eventually as the characters around him level up. You might still reasonably argue that he is a Gary Stu, but compared to say Shiba Tatsuya (who can: shoot through wall, shoot nukes, invented flying, and can bring himself and others back from the dead among other things) he is far from the worst such example.


I wonder if SWanime has seen obvious marty su animes like SAO? Or even Overlord?
The King's Avatar MC is considered average/normal if you compare him to the byllshit marty su complex for Kirito in Sword Art Online where a 14 year old kid is somehow the best in the world and gets a harem of girls because he is somehow unexplainedly the best, fastest, smartest, most handsome player who is unmatched by everyone else and who can hack computer source code in 5 seconds.

Overlord has this to an extent with an OP MC who curb stomps everyone as a joke and still has time for his harem.

Hell, even Accel world has this problem because even though the MC looks like the Japanese Eric Cartman, he is still somehow one of the best/the best players by being very fast and has the hottest girl in the high school fawning over him.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:02 pm Reply with quote
Intranetusa wrote:
And show me a decent new Spring 2017 anime that doesnt rely on garbage fanservice and boobs or isnt the second/third season of a decent preexisting anime (eg. One of the sports anime)


Tsukigakirei is really good, the best recent romance show and one of the most realistic romance shows ever produced, only suffering from production problems in the latter half. The average mainstream anime will find the beginning too slow, but I personally enjoy these mundane and very relatable moments much more than the forced drama and annoying misunderstandings of typical romance stories.

Alice & Zoroku - Not exactly revolutionary, but cute and enjoyable, especially if you like these types of parenting shows (though it's not exactly parenting in this case).
Sakura Quest - Haven't watched this yet, but P.A.'s previous "workplace" shows were really good and I'm sure Sakura Quest isn't garbage.

Kado - The reception of the last two episodes was a bit controverse, but other than that it's a very interesting show with some really cool concepts. Not really exciting since it's mostly about negotiations and stuff, but definitely not a carbon copy of other shows.

Overall I would consider Tsukigakirei, Uchouten Kazoku 2 and the second half of Little Witch Academia the best shows this spring.

And you probably shouldn't judge a show based on MAL scores.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:19 pm Reply with quote
I hope someday we get a piece of work that's really awesome like Avatar: The Last Airbender whether it comes from Japan, China, South Korea, or even the US. Even a small animation studio could make something great given the time they produce them as well as the talent they possess.

Vaisaga wrote:
I do love me some Korean porn comics. But outside of those I honestly wouldn't be very interested in watching anything animated by them (unless it was an adaptation of said porn comics. An animated Narakarana would be the shit).


How about an animated version of Brawling Go!? If that had an English Dub, then the one actor I'd love to see voice Go Jae-Jin should be none other than actor Josh Grelle. I can't imagine anyone else doing the voice for him.
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Azrul Hakim



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:14 pm Reply with quote
The main point is, both China and Korea must have their own animation's style that can be called their own, the problem is Japan's anime have a very specific style that is NOT Western cartoon that people from different countries can immediately identified as anime from Japan. But again Japan has develop it for a very long long time their tradition of manga and animation. http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia27/en/feature/feature03.html Yes, China has money and Korea has the skill but all their animation follows stereotypical Japanese anime that can confused people with anime from Japan. Even Noblesee (btw Production I.G produce it) had problems is it new anime from Japan? Until they can create their own animation style that is unique to China and Korea, either they confused or will always be compared to anime from Japan.
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Ian K



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Director Yeon Sang-ho has released three acclaimed, dark, mature animated films, including The King of Pigs, The Fake, and most recently Seoul Station.


This is the director of the recent hit Train to Busan, which one reviewer called "the best zombie movie since Shaun of the Dead". Seoul Station is actually in the same universe as Train to Busan.

Studio Mir in Korea is doing big things. They're the ones who provided the animation muscle for the Legend of Korra and Nu Voltron, as well as the Chinese Bigfish and Begonia. A recent Polygon profile of the studio, while mostly a puff piece, does include a few good insights into the Korean animation industry. It also indicates that these guys have ambitions to work on original projects as well, hopefully that will come to pass some day.

As for Chinese animation, I would be remiss if I failed to point out Wolf Smoke Studio. These scrappy underdogs have succeeded in creating a distinct house style that, while clearly in the limited animation tradition, stands out with its use of heavy, pointy outlines. You can see it at work in the Batman of Shanghai shorts they made for D.C. They've seem to have struggled to land any big projects, but they have a short at Annecy, so hopefully that will attract some more attention!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:50 pm Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
I do love me some Korean porn comics. But outside of those I honestly wouldn't be very interested in watching anything animated by them (unless it was an adaptation of said porn comics. An animated Narakarana would be the shit).


Agree with you there. Just wish that they weren't in that small format.
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